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appalachiablue

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Sun Jun 13, 2021, 01:54 PM Jun 2021

The Doctor Who Eliminated Smallpox Says COVID-19 Is Here to Stay

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'The Doctor Who Eliminated Smallpox Says COVID-19 Is Here To Stay,' MSN/The Daily Beast, By Harry Siegel, June 13, 2021. - Ed. (~ Lengthy article, worth the read).

In some pockets of the United States, if you squint hard enough, the coronavirus pandemic might feel like it’s almost over. Larry Brilliant would beg to disagree. With U.S. COVID-19 deaths soon to surpass the domestic toll from the great influenza of a century ago even as widely available vaccines have worked wonders, Brilliant, the epidemiologist who worked with the WHO to help eradicate smallpox and was the science adviser for the eerily prescient film Contagion, thinks there’s still plenty left to worry about—but also lots of good news to appreciate.



- Larry Brilliant.

In an hour-long interview that’s been edited for length and clarity, I asked him about why he thinks it’s too late to hope for herd immunity, and what he thinks we need to be doing now in what looks to be a long fight against what he describes as a Forever Virus. We also ended up talking about MERS, SARS, Ebola, the “Spanish flu,” anti-maskers, biological warfare and Yogi Berra.
- Harry Siegel: Let’s start with the big question: Why is it that you think COVID-19 isn’t going away, and does that mean the U.S. is in a bubble right now, as vaccines are being widely distributed here?

- Larry Brilliant: Boy, I wish we could reach herd immunity. But there’s a number of reasons why we can’t. First and foremost, a virus that infects multiple species, animals and humans, and a virus that has multiple new variants, each one having the potential to reinfect people, is sort of disqualified from being a candidate to be eradicated.
Because in both cases, the denominator keeps changing, of how many people could be exposed to the disease. If you’re exposed to or get vaccinated against the disease and then a new variant comes in that can still infect you, the concept of herd immunity no longer really applies. And if animals—and we’ve got 12 different species who’ve been infected with COVID-19, usually from humans—if they can harbor it, and then infect humans, then you can’t eradicate the disease like we’ve been unable to eradicate yellow fever, because monkeys get it and they just don’t like to put their arms out to get vaccinated, and it’s really tough to get them to stand in line.

- HS: How should Americans who’ve been vaccinated and are feeling a sense of relief and maybe going inside restaurants again or sending their kids under 12 to camp for the summer be thinking about all this and their behaviors?

- LB: If they’re like me, they’ll feel grateful. After an abysmal start in 2020—where America was part of the problem, as China was part of the problem, instead of being part of the solution—we’re getting there. President Biden at the G7 announced that we will supply 500 million doses of mRNA vaccines to the rest of the world that needs it the most, and I’m very proud of that. And we should be very proud of the mRNA vaccines.
When I was at Google, we used to say that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, and the mRNA vaccines and the speed with which they were made are, in many ways, magic. We shouldn’t forget that the scientists working on mRNA vaccines had been working on them for 10 years, and almost had an mRNA vaccine against MERS [the Middle Eastern Repository Syndrome that was first identified in 2012]. And that’s what helped us to get off of the starting line so quickly.

Just think about this: It took us well over 200 years after we had a vaccine before we could eradicate smallpox, 70 years after we had a vaccine against polio before we could have a global polio program.

And by January, really, a year from the day that COVID-19 began, we already got the start of a global vaccination program...

Read More...
https://www.thedailybeast.com/the-doctor-who-eliminated-smallpox-says-covid-19-is-here-to-stay?ref=home______
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- Larry Brilliant, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Brilliant
Lawrence "Larry" Brilliant (born May 5, 1944) is an American epidemiologist, technologist, philanthropist, and author, who worked with the World Health Organization from 1973-1976 helping to successfully eradicate smallpox...
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- 'Contagion,' *Scene Clips (10 mins). Follow the rapid progress of a lethal airborne virus that kills within days, as the worldwide medical community races to find a cure. (2011). Matt Damon, G. Paltrow. *Larry Brilliant was the scientific advisor for the film.

- Film wiki, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contagion_(2011_film).*Find film entry.

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- BBC, 'Covid: 'Contagion' film shows lessons around vaccine supply - Hancock,' *Feb. 2021, https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-55917374
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- NPR, Fact Checking 'Contagion' Movie, Trending During Coronavirus. *Feb. 16, 2020.
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2020/02/16/802704825/fact-checking-contagion-in-wake-of-coronavirus-the-2011-movie-is-trending
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The Doctor Who Eliminated Smallpox Says COVID-19 Is Here to Stay (Original Post) appalachiablue Jun 2021 OP
SARS went away, 1918 flu went away soothsayer Jun 2021 #1
Prepare for the worst case scenario.... FarPoint Jun 2021 #2
I'm a serious fan of masks and I hate open office design soothsayer Jun 2021 #4
I'm a born pessimist but I think you're correct. Laffy Kat Jun 2021 #7
One thing we know... FarPoint Jun 2021 #8
Influenza and rhinovirus have not gone away. But they have advantage being less deadly. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2021 #3
That too soothsayer Jun 2021 #5
Covid-19 is SARs CoV-2. Laffy Kat Jun 2021 #6
sars-cov-1did disappear. Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #12
Yes. I just feel like the other shoe is going to drop in the late fall/early winter. Laffy Kat Jun 2021 #16
SARS yes, A/H1N1, no. Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #11
The 1918 flu didn't go away. It's the H1N1 virus , marybourg Jun 2021 #13
1918 flu didn't die til the early 50's. pansypoo53219 Jun 2021 #17
He's definitely one of the people to listen to underpants Jun 2021 #9
Interesting but... Voltaire2 Jun 2021 #10
Between isolated people in the third world and dumbass antivaxers in the first Warpy Jun 2021 #14
I expect yearly booster shots to combat the variants. BigmanPigman Jun 2021 #15

soothsayer

(38,601 posts)
4. I'm a serious fan of masks and I hate open office design
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 02:14 PM
Jun 2021

Happy to stay prepared and hope we permanently morph the way things used to be, to be better prepared.

Laffy Kat

(16,523 posts)
7. I'm a born pessimist but I think you're correct.
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 02:57 PM
Jun 2021

I'm 64 and will wear a mask in public for the rest of my life.

FarPoint

(13,629 posts)
8. One thing we know...
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 03:19 PM
Jun 2021

Being vaccinated and wearing a mask helps...the surgical style mask mostly reduces the spread of covid-19 from one infected but then I tend to feel a bit protected as well... valid or not...I just do...I definitely try and keep my distance in like grocery stores, stay 30 minutes max...order lots on line no closed in eating...just cooking at home or quick drive thru ...

Of course my hand washing and hand sanitizer skills will remain...makes sense.

Laffy Kat

(16,523 posts)
6. Covid-19 is SARs CoV-2.
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 02:56 PM
Jun 2021

It's a different SARs than the 2003 virus but not sure it's correct to say SARs "went away". They are both corona viruses.

Voltaire2

(14,718 posts)
12. sars-cov-1did disappear.
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 04:20 PM
Jun 2021

Nobody knows why. It also never spread they way sars-cov-2 has. So I’m no sure we can use it as a model for how cov-2 is going to behave.

Laffy Kat

(16,523 posts)
16. Yes. I just feel like the other shoe is going to drop in the late fall/early winter.
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 09:17 PM
Jun 2021

Again, I've always been a doomsayer and I hope I'm wrong.

marybourg

(13,182 posts)
13. The 1918 flu didn't go away. It's the H1N1 virus ,
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 04:20 PM
Jun 2021

which is still around. It just mutated into being less lethal.

For those who don’t know, here’s the fascinating story of how the 1919 virus was identified and reconstructed once DNA was discoveded:

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/pandemic-resources/reconstruction-1918-virus.html#reconstruction

Voltaire2

(14,718 posts)
10. Interesting but...
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 04:12 PM
Jun 2021

When I was at Google, we used to say that any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic


That is from the late great Arthur C Clark, and it precedes the existence of google and the internet (although perhaps not the original arpanet from which the internet evolved.)

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
14. Between isolated people in the third world and dumbass antivaxers in the first
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 04:46 PM
Jun 2021

a reservoir for this disease is going to stay with us for a very long time. If it turns more deadly, smallpox being a good example with a 30% death rate, then maybe there will be enough will to pass vaccination laws with serious teeth plus adequate funding for outreach programs to make sure the poorest and most isolated people are protected. I don't see either happening any time soon.

BigmanPigman

(52,259 posts)
15. I expect yearly booster shots to combat the variants.
Sun Jun 13, 2021, 05:17 PM
Jun 2021

I always get the flu shot (teaching in a 1st grade classroom is very unhealthy) and I don't get the typical flu, just a bunch of colds, one after the other. We don't know how people will react to the variants in the future years. Booster shots (vaccinations) should become a yearly practice if this doesn't "go away, like a miracle".

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