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Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 12:35 PM Apr 2013

Facebook's big misogyny problem

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2013/apr/18/facebook-big-misogyny-problem

Sounds familiar... *coughcoughcough*



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First, what is notable about cases like Rapebook co-founder Trista Hendren's is the comfort and speed with which opponents resort to violent rape and death threats using misogynistic language. Facebook's guidelines prohibit hate speech, even though hate speech is, in fact, protected in the US by the first amendment. Users comfortable with denigrating women manipulate a review process that does not recognize sex-based hate speech and is not set up to consider context. Specifically, Facebook has no reporting mechanism for considering how a hostile environment (treating rape and violence against women literally as a joke or ignoring content that is viscerally threatening) might affect its female users.

Second, what people like Hendren are protesting is not easily mocked hurt feelings, but systemically tolerated hate, degradation, objectification and marginalization of girls and women, behind which loiters actual violence. Women, acculturated to a world where one in three women will be sexually assaulted (in the US, that number is one in five; for men, one in 77), cannot separate this reality from their online experiences. Domestic violence statistics reflect a similar epidemic. The vast majority of perpetrators in either case are men. This dynamic is reflected in online misogyny.

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How is this not a loss of free speech for these users (overwhelmingly women), resulting from bullying, harassment and misogyny? The people left feeling comfortable at Facebook are rape apologists and those who create content glorifying the debasement of women.

A common retort to all of this is: "This is the internet. It's offensive. If you don't like it, leave." That is correct: speech on the internet can be offensive and the right to be offensive is vital to democracy. But Facebook is not "the internet". Facebook is a company with principles and community standards that create a reasonable expectation in users that it will enforce rules it itself has established in an unbiased manner. Facebook is perilously close to allowing "freedom of speech" to be used as a defense of unjust actions that are clearly intimidating and silencing female users.

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Facebook's big misogyny problem (Original Post) Starry Messenger Apr 2013 OP
"Facebook's guidelines prohibit hate speech, even though hate speech is, in fact, Jenoch Apr 2013 #1
such a great analysis. BlancheSplanchnik Apr 2013 #2
Ewwww.... Jasana Apr 2013 #3
This is why I will never get a FB page. Lunacee_2013 Apr 2013 #4
 

Jenoch

(7,720 posts)
1. "Facebook's guidelines prohibit hate speech, even though hate speech is, in fact,
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 01:13 PM
Apr 2013

protected in the US by the first amendment."

The 1st Amendment only protects us from the GOVERNMENT restricting our speech, not corporations such as Facebook.

BlancheSplanchnik

(20,219 posts)
2. such a great analysis.
Sat Apr 20, 2013, 02:01 PM
Apr 2013

Hate speech against women is often context dependent. There's the problem with not only simplistic monitoring systems, but also with simplistic, tough-guy get-over-it thinking.

Woman bashing is linked to sexual/power thrills for men, so it is a much more complex issue. Communicating about the problem is difficult because of the sexuality link.

Just my contribution to the analysis.

Jasana

(490 posts)
3. Ewwww....
Sat Apr 27, 2013, 06:54 AM
Apr 2013

Between:

Friend #1 posting a picture of a wolf with the words, "Can't keep up? You're a pussy."

Friend #2 posting that people on food stamps were animals...

and all the rape crap, I deactivated my facebook account. The internal rage just wasn't worth the hassle.

Lunacee_2013

(529 posts)
4. This is why I will never get a FB page.
Mon Apr 29, 2013, 03:50 AM
Apr 2013

Just searching "rapebook facebook" on yahoo was enough. Way, way too much of teh stoopid for me. May all those idiots be born female in their next lives.

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