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obamanut2012

(27,814 posts)
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 11:46 AM Jul 2012

Judo federation will allow headscarf for Saudi judoka

The Saudi Arabian Olympic Committee and the International Judo Federation came to an agreement over competitor Wojdan Shaherkani wearing a headscarf, or hijab, as she competes. Shaherkani is one of the first two women to compete for the conservative kingdom, but her participation in the Olympics was put in jeopardy when the federation said last week she couldn't compete wearing the hijab for safety reasons.

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According to CNN, Shaherkani's father was adamant that she must wear the hijab. There were reports she would withdraw from the Olympics if she was forced to compete without it.

[ Video: Brazilian judoka gets shining moment ]

Though the judo federation is concerned the hijab can be used to injure Shaherkani, she will wear it in competition. Now, she will still compete on Friday as planned. No matter what she wears or what she does on the mat, Shaherkani is a trailblazer for women everywhere.


http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/judo-federation-allow-headscarf-saudi-judoka-131610464--oly.html

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I REALLY don't agree with this, mainly because it is extremely dangerous. I feel bad for her, because she is the first Saudi female ever allowed to compete in the Games.

Notice her father won't allow her to compete sans headcovering.

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Judo federation will allow headscarf for Saudi judoka (Original Post) obamanut2012 Jul 2012 OP
she COULD take it off but chooses not to. not her father's fault at all. personal choice nt msongs Jul 2012 #1
It is 100% her father's fault -- she has no choice obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #2
personal choice Scout Jul 2012 #3
Personal choice is not a choice in a country LadyHawkAZ Aug 2012 #11
yup La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2012 #17
The petty crap that women are subjected to in life never ceases to amaze me. Starry Messenger Jul 2012 #4
Yup obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #5
She's competing for a country that just wouldn't send women before this year. Gormy Cuss Jul 2012 #6
completely agree La Lioness Priyanka Aug 2012 #18
As a retired judoka, there is risk to her wearing a hijab at this level of competition ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #7
Because she is the first Saudi woman allowed to compete obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #8
Did she have to qualify at any level ahead of time? ProgressiveProfessor Jul 2012 #9
Generally, yes obamanut2012 Jul 2012 #10
I just can't imagine how she's going to keep that thing in place justiceischeap Aug 2012 #12
A good friend of mine does BJJ and Judo obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #13
If it's for safety reasons how can they justify a religious/cultural exemption? 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #14
I think "baby steps" is why they did it obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #15
UPDATE: With results spoiler obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #16
I imagine that as long as they discourage female athletes 4th law of robotics Aug 2012 #19
Who cares if she gets hurt? She's just a worthless, insolent, disobedient female. Zorra Aug 2012 #20
"Saudi girl an unlikely hero" suffragette Aug 2012 #21
This quote literally brought tears to my eyes obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #22
mine, too suffragette Aug 2012 #23
I know obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #24
Yes, and I hope she inspires other girls to join her suffragette Aug 2012 #25
Her story really touched me for some reason obamanut2012 Aug 2012 #26

obamanut2012

(27,814 posts)
2. It is 100% her father's fault -- she has no choice
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 12:14 PM
Jul 2012

Saudi Arabia is an extremely oppressive society for women. I honestly think she would be killed if she tried to do that. The Iraqi, Palestinian, and Afghani female athletes have a terribly hard time of it, too, but they have much more family and sports federation support than this poor young lady.

LadyHawkAZ

(6,199 posts)
11. Personal choice is not a choice in a country
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 12:43 AM
Aug 2012

where she has no rights and her father is completely in charge.

Eventually she DOES have to go home.

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
4. The petty crap that women are subjected to in life never ceases to amaze me.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 01:32 PM
Jul 2012

In the end, what does dad get out of this? He couldn't just be proud that his wonderful daughter is competing on a global stage? But now he gets to be in control.

Gormy Cuss

(30,884 posts)
6. She's competing for a country that just wouldn't send women before this year.
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 05:53 PM
Jul 2012

I guess it's better for her to perform with the added risk of injury than to walk away but I hope that by the next Olympics women from her country will be allowed to compete without their daddies acting as fashion police.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
7. As a retired judoka, there is risk to her wearing a hijab at this level of competition
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:29 PM
Jul 2012

Last edited Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:45 PM - Edit history (1)

Anything of fixed length circling the throat is dangerous, though she may have some design that does not do that. I am curious to see how it works.

From a rules perspective should it be dislodged the match should not be suspended for it unless she is willing to forfeit at that point.

Women judoka have been around a long time, not sure why this one is a "trailblazer for women everywhere" in the least.

obamanut2012

(27,814 posts)
8. Because she is the first Saudi woman allowed to compete
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 08:42 PM
Jul 2012

at this level.

As I stated in my OP, I am against this because it's dangerous. I believe they broke the rules for her because they see her, as I do, as a victim of the repressive society she lives in.

And, if it is dislodged, she will forfeit, an may very well be severely punished when she returns home. She isn't just a trailblazer for Saudi female athletes, she is putting herself at personal risk.

ProgressiveProfessor

(22,144 posts)
9. Did she have to qualify at any level ahead of time?
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 09:45 PM
Jul 2012

Don't have a clue about how it is done for the Olympics in Judo

obamanut2012

(27,814 posts)
10. Generally, yes
Tue Jul 31, 2012, 10:31 PM
Jul 2012

But they have byes for certain developing Olympic countries, especially for women from countries that have never had women. However, they have a normal tournament setup, so if she doesn't win, she doesn't go forward.

justiceischeap

(14,040 posts)
12. I just can't imagine how she's going to keep that thing in place
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 06:13 AM
Aug 2012

When I participated in Judo as a kid, not only did you put your whole body into the sport, but I used my head as well at times, especially when we would grapple on the floor to either pin the opponent or place them in a choke-hold.

It's a full-body sport and how she can keep from either being choked by the hijab or it coming off or turning and momentarily blocking her vision, well, I think I'll have to watch her match to see the outcome... I wish her luck because I think she's going to need it to not only contend with a competitor but her hijab as well.

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
14. If it's for safety reasons how can they justify a religious/cultural exemption?
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 10:50 AM
Aug 2012

Oh well. Baby-steps I guess.

Pretty soon Saudi Arabia will be caught up to the 1800s.

obamanut2012

(27,814 posts)
15. I think "baby steps" is why they did it
Wed Aug 1, 2012, 11:07 AM
Aug 2012

So as not to penalize the first Saudi female athlete because of her nation's extreme cultural interpretation of Islam.

There is no way she can use her regular head covering. I am curious to see what she wears and what happens.

obamanut2012

(27,814 posts)
16. UPDATE: With results spoiler
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 09:04 AM
Aug 2012

Also, a photo of the headcovering worn during the match is at the link.

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Wojdan Shaherkhani, the Saudi judo player who is the first woman ever to compete for the conservative kingdom, lost her round of 32 bout Friday. She lost by a throw to Melissa Mojica from Puerto Rico in 1:22.

"I am happy to be at the Olympics," she whispered in Arabic after the bout, her father holding both her arms. "Unfortunately, we did not win a medal, but in the future we will and I will be a star for women's participation."

There were worries Shaherkhani wouldn't make it to the mat because the judo federation ruled she could not wear the hijab, the traditional Muslim hair covering. The Saudi federation stipulated they would only allow women to compete if they wore the hijab, so there were worries Shaherkhani would withdraw. Fortunately, the two sides came to an agreement, and Shaherkhani wore the hijab onto the mat.

[ Photos: Saudi judoka Wojdan Shaherkhani ]

Most judo Olympians are black belts with years of international experience. Shaherkhani is a blue belt who has practiced the sport for two years, so the loss was not surprising. The crowd stood and cheered for her anyway, appreciative of what she had done." <snip>



http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/olympics-fourth-place-medal/saudi-judoka-loses-first-bout-promises-she-back-120125265--oly.html

 

4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
19. I imagine that as long as they discourage female athletes
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 10:32 AM
Aug 2012

these countries will always take home few if any golds in womens events.

You'd think if nothing else they'd want more golds just to make their countries look better. Even if they still don't like women much.

Zorra

(27,670 posts)
20. Who cares if she gets hurt? She's just a worthless, insolent, disobedient female.
Fri Aug 3, 2012, 01:12 PM
Aug 2012
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Both Wodjan Ali Seraj Abdulrahim Shahrkhani, and Sarah Attar, are very brave; actually, heroic may be a better word. It's pretty much a given that the only reason the Saudi conservative patriarchal monarchy has allowed a woman to compete is because of intense international pressure and some relentless grassroot activism by Saudi feminists.

It would not surprise me at all if, once they were back in Saudi Arabia and away from the prying eyes of the world, their fathers or uncles, or a cleric, or maybe some male friend of the family, locked them in a room and beat them for their brazen disobedience and the shame they have brought upon their family, religion, and country, for daring to engage in activities that should only be the privilege of men. And afterward, maybe threatened them with being stoned to death if they ever told anyone about the beating.

A Leap Forward for Saudi Arabia

The Human Rights Watch report, 'Steps of the Devil': Denial of Women's and Girls' Rights to Sport in Saudi Arabia," explains Saudi clerics' religious objections to Saudi women engaging in any sport. The Saudi clergy believes such behavior moves Saudi women down a slippery slope towards the devil. According to the report, Saudi religious scholars claim that allowing Saudi girls and women to enter into sports would invite them to engage in immodest movement, don aberrant clothing, perform in front of spectators, and eventually come into direct contact with unrelated men in mixed settings, all of which leads to immorality and the irreparable desecration of the purity of Saudi women.


The US and Canada should offer blanket political asylum to the women and LGBT folks of Saudi Arabia's fascist "conservative kingdom".

I'm positive that the feminist and LGBT organizations of the world would, overnight, raise the money to provide transportation out of that misogynist patriarchal hellhole for any Saudi woman, female child, and LGBT person who desired to be free from that hateful place. An underground railroad could be established if necessary, like the one that freed slaves in the south, and sheltered and transported them north until they were safe and free.

Women in Saudi Arabia are universally subjected to extreme brainwashing from birth, so not all women would choose to leave right away because many suffer from institutionalized Stockholm Syndrome. But within 20 years, the only females left for the misogynists of Saudi Arabia to abuse would be...camels, and it wouldn't come as a shock if the unfortunate camels made a desperate attempt to escape also. Then again, it may be that Saudi men are required by law to treat animals with more respect and consideration than they are mere women and girls.

Women's Rights in Saudi Arabia

All women, regardless of age, are required to have a male guardian. Women cannot vote or be elected to high political positions.[1] However, King Abdullah has declared that women will be able to vote and run in the 2015 local elections, and be appointed to the Consultative Assembly.[2] Saudi Arabia is the only country in the world that prohibits women from driving. The World Economic Forum 2009 Global Gender Gap Report ranked Saudi Arabia 130th out of 134 countries for gender parity. It was the only country to score a zero in the category of political empowerment. The report also noted that Saudi Arabia is one of the few Middle Eastern countries to improve from 2008, with small gains in economic opportunity.[3]
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Women’s freedom of movement is very limited in Saudi Arabia. They are not supposed to leave their houses or their local neighbourhood without the permission of their male guardian, and company of a mahram (close male relative). However, out of necessity most women leave the house alone and often have contact with unrelated men to shop or conduct business.[12][74]

Women are not allowed to drive in Saudi Arabia, although it is often tolerated in rural areas. Saudi Arabia has no written ban on women driving, but Saudi law requires citizens to use a locally issued license while in the country. Such licenses are not issued to women, thus making it effectively illegal for women to drive.[75] Furthermore, most Saudi scholars and religious authorities have declared women driving haram (forbidden).[18][20] Commonly given reasons for the prohibition on women driving include:[76][77]

Driving a car involves uncovering the face which is considered obligatory for women to cover in Saudi.
Driving a car may lead women to go out of the house more often.
Driving a car may lead women to have interaction with non-mahram males, for example at traffic accidents.
Women driving cars may lead to overcrowding the streets and many young men may be deprived of the opportunity to drive.
Driving would be the first step in an erosion of traditional values, such as gender segregation.


LGBT rights in Saudi Arabia are unrecognized. Homosexuality is frequently a taboo subject in Saudi Arabian society and is punished with imprisonment, corporal punishment and capital punishment. Transgenderism is generally associated with homosexuality.

It is unclear how many people have been executed for sodomy. Some of the official news reports on persons convicted of sodomy seem to provide conflicting opinions.

In 2000 the Saudi government reported that it had sentenced nine Saudi men to extensive prison terms with lashing for engaging in cross-dressing and homosexual relations.[3] That same year the government executed three Yemeni male workers for homosexuality and child molestation.[4]

In April 2005, the government convicted over a hundred men of homosexuality, but none were sentenced to be executed. All those men were given prison sentences with flogging because they were at a private party that was either a same-sex wedding ceremony or a birthday party.[5] Yet, not long after a gay foreign couple was sentenced to death for homosexuality and allegedly killing a man who was blackmailing them for homosexuality.


Human Trafficking in Saudi Arabia

The Government of Saudi Arabia does not fully comply with the minimum standards for the elimination of trafficking and is not making significant efforts to do so. The government continues to lack adequate anti-trafficking laws, and, despite evidence of widespread trafficking abuses, did not report any criminal prosecutions, convictions, or prison sentences for trafficking crimes committed against foreign domestic workers. The government similarly did not take law enforcement action against trafficking for commercial sexual exploitation in Saudi Arabia, or take any steps to provide victims of sex trafficking with protection. The Saudi government also made no discernable effort to employ procedures to identify and refer victims to protective services.[1]


Welcome to wonderful Saudi Arabia, Your Conservative Patriarchal Paradise of the 21st century.



I'm pretty much totally anti-war, but I might have almost been able to forgive Bush if he would have attacked Saudi Arabia instead of Iraq.

Three billion cheers for Wodjan and Sarah, and all the brave women in Saudi Arabia who have struggled so relentlessly against all odds to help make these historic appearances of Wodjan Ali Seraj Abdulrahim Shahrkhani and Sarah Attar in the Olympic games possible.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
21. "Saudi girl an unlikely hero"
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 11:37 AM
Aug 2012

Good commentary piece here about Wodjan Shaherkani.

I'll excerpt a couple paragraphs, but the full piece is not long and well worth the read.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/olympics/2018844263_olympicsplaschke.html

"Hopefully this is the beginning of a new era," she said.

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With some in her country calling her one of the "Prostitutes of the Olympics," with her country's television network refusing to broadcast the match, with her own neighbors perhaps whispering of her shame, Shaherkani became the first female athlete from Saudi Arabia to compete in an Olympic event.

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Mojica, the 24th-ranked judo competitor in the world, circled Shaherkani for about a minute before finally deciding to put them both out of their misery. Mojica dived, grabbed, dumped Shaherkani on her back, and the match ended less than a minute and a half after it began.

"I did not feel pity for her," Mojica said later. "I felt a lot of respect."




It takes a lot of courage to be the first to step into the harsh spotlight in this way, knowing you'll face hate for it, knowing you haven't a chance to win (can't even practice in public in her country), knowing so many eyes are on you.


obamanut2012

(27,814 posts)
22. This quote literally brought tears to my eyes
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 12:01 PM
Aug 2012

"I did not feel pity for her," Mojica said later. "I felt a lot of respect."

Thanks so much for posting this.

suffragette

(12,232 posts)
23. mine, too
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 01:26 PM
Aug 2012

It's such a powerful statement. Good on Mojica for being so thoughtful.

Just read the article below. So good it's hard to pick out a piece of it.

Bear in mind when reading that Wodjan is only 16.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/08/03/159834/saudi-womans-historic-olympic.html


obamanut2012

(27,814 posts)
24. I know
Sat Aug 4, 2012, 01:33 PM
Aug 2012

Only 16 and only a blue belt. I hope she's allowed to go to Rio in four years.

Thanks for the new article!

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