Abortion and why MEN want it abolished

[Novara]

I was asked to cross-post this response from General Discussion here. The discussion is why Alito is so damn wrong about abortion and gender equality: https://www.democraticunderground.com/100216962217

You don't need to look that far back.

In fact, there are a ton of current studies that show women with children make less money and are promoted far less than men and than women without children. Mothers are the slowest group to succeed in the working world behind white men, black men, and childfree women.

Keeping women pregnant takes them out of the workforce and keeps them on an uneven footing throughout their careers. Because if they don't advance when they are younger, by the time they have 20 years of experience and they're still on the lower rungs of the ladder, they're much less likely to go much higher.

WOMEN TWO THIRDS LESS LIKELY THAN MEN TO GET PROMOTED AT WORK AFTER HAVING CHILDREN

Women are significantly less likely than men to be offered a promotion at work after having children, new research suggests.

A report published by the universities of Bristol and Essex for the Government Equalities Office found that just 27.8 per cent of women were in full-time or self-employed work three years after childbirth, compared to 90 per cent of new fathers.

The data also showed that women who did return to work after becoming a parent were two thirds less likely to get promoted in the five years after the child was born compared to their male counterparts with 26 per cent of fathers receiving promotions or moving to a better job compared to 13 per cent of mothers.

Furthermore, 17 per cent of women were found to have left employment completely in the five years following childbirth, compared to four per cent of men.

The researchers conducting the report looked at how childbirth affects employment and career progression across a sample group of more than 3,500 new parents.

More in the link.




THIS IS WHY THEY DO THIS SHIT, folks. They are afraid of the competition.

[niyad]

1. And the WAR ON WOMEN continues apace. Thank you so much for this important information.

[Irish_Dem]

2. Of course this is the goal.

When women started graduating college in higher numbers than males I knew there would be trouble.

Women being educated and getting good jobs is not going to fly with the males.

Women who get pregnant drop out of school and do not get higher level jobs.

[SheltieLover]

6. Right!

[Lonestarblue]

3. Women outnumber men in medical school and in law school.

They also outnumber men in college completion. While there are many religious extremists who believe that women must be subservient to men and have as many children as their God chooses, they are no alone in opposing abortion, birth control, and education for women. Studies have shown that women who go to college or who pursue graduate of professional degrees prefer to marry someone with similar credentials. This preference thus leaves out many males who started work after high school or who thought they didn’t need any social or intellectual skills to attract a mate.

Reproductive choice has always been about religious objections and economic success for women that gives them i dependence from men. Think of the women of Afghanistan where a rigid religion has curtailed education for girls and no work outside the home for most women. Men are threatened by educated, successful women. The SC, the religious right, and the Republican Party all want to deny women their success by forcing them to stay home and raise children.

[CaptainTruth]

4. And it's one of the 6 aspects of what I call the Radical Right Supremacy Syndrome (RRSS)

After studying the Radical Right for years & giving it a lot of thought, I've concluded that a primary characteristic of the movement (cult) is the Radical Right Supremacy Syndrome, which consists of 6 aspects:

1) Racial (white) superiority
2) Gender (male) superiority
3) Sexual orientation (heterosexual) superiority
4) Economic (middle to upper class, not poor) superiority
5) Religious ("christian&quot superiority
6) Political (Republican/conservative) superiority

It seems like all of their views & actions derive from their Superiority Syndrome.

It's something I'd like to write more about, if I ever have time.

[Delmette2.0]

5. Yes, men are afraid of women.

Especially smart, educated, competent, capable women.

[SheltieLover]

7. Absolutely!

[Demobrat]

8. Of course this is why.

Fewer women competing for spots in good schools or good jobs makes it easier for mediocre men to get ahead.

Now they’re freaking out over the rise in requests from women to have their tubes tied. Permanent, effective birth control negates the whole purpose of the abortion ban - keeping women OUT of competition with men.

[ShazzieB]

9. This reminds me of the story Hillary Clinton has told about the day she went to take the LSAT.

Hillary:

I was taking a law school admissions test in a big classroom at Harvard. My friend and I were some of the only women in the room. I was feeling nervous. I was a senior in college. I wasn’t sure how well I’d do. And while we’re waiting for the exam to start, a group of men began to yell things like: ‘You don’t need to be here.’ And ‘There’s plenty else you can do.’ It turned into a real ‘pile on.’ One of them even said: ‘If you take my spot, I’ll get drafted, and I’ll go to Vietnam, and I’ll die.’ And they weren’t kidding around. It was intense. It got very personal. But I couldn’t respond. I couldn’t afford to get distracted because I didn’t want to mess up the test. So I just kept looking down, hoping that the proctor would walk in the room.

I know that I can be perceived as aloof or cold or unemotional. But I had to learn as a young woman to control my emotions. And that’s a hard path to walk. Because you need to protect yourself, you need to keep steady, but at the same time you don’t want to seem ‘walled off.’ And sometimes I think I come across more in the ‘walled off’ arena. And if I create that perception, then I take responsibility. I don’t view myself as cold or unemotional. And neither do my friends. And neither does my family. But if that sometimes is the perception I create, then I can’t blame people for thinking that.

https://www.humansofnewyork.com/post/150127870371/i-was-taking-a-law-school-admissions-test-in-a

This happened over 50 years ago. (Hillary's senior year in college was 1968-1969.) Nowadays, at least half the people in that room would be women, and they would not face this kind of heckling. The kids born from the 80s on are used to women doing everything men do and would find it perfectly normal for women to be there.

I firmly believe things are getting better in a lot of ways, albeit much more slowly than we would wish. We have to keep fighting so that the old coots who still hold positions of power aren't able to take us ALL THE WAY back to the 1950s before they finally drop dead. We shouldn't have to, and it sucks that we do, but that's the reality.

[Demobrat]

11. If you TAKE MY spot ....

yep, that pretty much says it all. Women are taking what rightfully belongs to men, and the only way to stop them is to make sure they’re tied down by pregnancy and child rearing.

[Mr. Evil]

10. This is so simple.

To them, men are supposed to have all the power and fun that comes with it. Women are supposed to acquiesce that power and be compliant.

My solution is equally simple: FUCK THAT!

Women can and are usually more capable than men because in most cases they don't give two shits about power. They are more in tune with results. Men just want power to be able to get their way; you know, like toddlers. Exchange the proportion of men in power with women and I guarantee you that you'll see a much better society.

In my experiences in this life I've rarely seen a woman abuse a position of power. There's always exceptions, though. We've all seen them. Phyllis Schlafly, Leona Helmsley, et al. It isn't a perfect world but, women have many more obstacles to overcome than any man when it comes to success. Long story short, I'd much rather have a woman as a GM or a CEO than a man every time. Men lust for power for self aggrandizement. Women, more so, foment empowerment. My guess is that women, while working their asses off earning their way upward and while raising children and all that that entails (while their absent and worthless husbands are getting their jollies) are more compassionate and understanding of the human condition.

Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm right. Just my opinion and my observances over my 62 years on this dystopian hellscape.

[Novara]

12. Sexism is why I am not advancing in my job

My boss and I have had the same discussion for several years when it's time for my annual review. We both agree that I should be doing more tech reviews of the team's reports, rather than him doing all of the reviews. This is for my career advancement as well as his (I'm a senior level person, but no one's boss, and I'm doing the same work I was doing six years ago when I started there).

And he just does not want to let it go.

I think a big reason is because he knows I am a better technical writer than he is. Early in my career a mentor told me, "Don't write so that you can be understood; write so that you can't be misunderstood." I've carried that throughout my career. My reports are clear, concise, grammatically correct, and punctuated properly. His writing frequently is not. I was writing - and reviewing - technical reports while my supervisor was still in high school. I am good at it. No bragging; it's just a fact.

He'll sporadically pass some reviews on to me, but really infrequently. Yet every performance evaluation I have with him, we both agree that I should be reviewing more and he should be reviewing less. It just doesn't happen and I believe his fear of competition is why he won't let go.

[Demobrat]

13. If you can do what he does

what do they need him for? Seen it over, and over, and over.

[Novara]

14. It's not that simple

I've got more total years of experience and I have skills he doesn't have, but in a discipline my current company isn't doing. He has more skills than I have in areas my company is involved with. So I don't quibble that he is my boss - he's been at this company a lot longer than me and he knows more about stuff I don't know.

However, I'm a better writer and frankly I do a better job doing the technical reviews. But he just does not want to let that part of his duties go. And I think t's because he knows I'm better at it than he is and he fears the competition.

I am not angling for his job. I just want to use skills I already have and which can produce better-written, grammatically correct, and more consistent reports for the company.

[Demobrat]

15. You said it yourself.

He fears the competition. It may not make sense for all the reasons you mentioned, but the fact remains, if he didn’t fear for his job he wouldn’t be afraid to use his people properly - to utilize their skills to maximum effect.

[Novara]

16. Right, and it's frustrating

I have skills I'd be happy to use and the company would benefit. But my boss' insecurity is holding me back. There really isn't anyone I can complain to about this either. It's a small company and management has been in their roles for years and they absolutely resist any change.

I've got most of my working years in the rear view mirror at this point. If this was early in my career I'd probably fight it but most days I'm content to do my job, not make waves, and think about retirement.