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cross posted by requestAlso: French court rules that sex with 13-year-old girl cant be tried as rape
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Source: The Guardian
Firefighters should not face charge of raping girl, French court rules
Accused will face lesser offence of sexual assault in Julie case that has sparked protests across France
Kim Willsher in Paris
Thu 18 Mar 2021 12.49 GMT
Frances highest court has ruled that firefighters accused of raping a girl when she was aged between 13 and 15 should be charged with the lesser offence of sexual assault.
A woman known as Julie claims she was raped over a period of two years after being groomed by a firefighter in 2008, when she was a girl aged 13, and that he later introduced her to his colleagues. Three accused men have admitted having sex with her but say it was consensual. Seventeen others have not been charged.
On Wednesday, the cour de cassation, Frances supreme appeal court, rejected an appeal by Julies lawyers that the accused should be tried for rape. The judges said it was not proven the men had used moral constraint.
The judgment, which Julies lawyers attacked as based on archaic ideology, came days after the Assemblée Nationale, the lower house of the French parliament, voted unanimously for a new law that set at 15 the age under which no child can be considered to have consented to sexual relations. The legislation was drawn up after a number of sexual abuse and incest scandals involving underage children.
Julie says she was raped by the firefighters between the ages of 13 and 15. Three of them were initially put under official investigation for rape and sexual assault on a minor of 15 as a group but a judge later reclassified the charges as sexual assault without violence, constraint, threat or surprise.
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Accused will face lesser offence of sexual assault in Julie case that has sparked protests across France
Kim Willsher in Paris
Thu 18 Mar 2021 12.49 GMT
Frances highest court has ruled that firefighters accused of raping a girl when she was aged between 13 and 15 should be charged with the lesser offence of sexual assault.
A woman known as Julie claims she was raped over a period of two years after being groomed by a firefighter in 2008, when she was a girl aged 13, and that he later introduced her to his colleagues. Three accused men have admitted having sex with her but say it was consensual. Seventeen others have not been charged.
On Wednesday, the cour de cassation, Frances supreme appeal court, rejected an appeal by Julies lawyers that the accused should be tried for rape. The judges said it was not proven the men had used moral constraint.
The judgment, which Julies lawyers attacked as based on archaic ideology, came days after the Assemblée Nationale, the lower house of the French parliament, voted unanimously for a new law that set at 15 the age under which no child can be considered to have consented to sexual relations. The legislation was drawn up after a number of sexual abuse and incest scandals involving underage children.
Julie says she was raped by the firefighters between the ages of 13 and 15. Three of them were initially put under official investigation for rape and sexual assault on a minor of 15 as a group but a judge later reclassified the charges as sexual assault without violence, constraint, threat or surprise.
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Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/18/firefighters-should-not-face-charge-raping-girl-french-court-rules
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Source: Washington Post
French court rules that sex with 13-year-old girl cant be tried as rape
By Antonia Noori Farzan
March 19, 2021 at 11:15 a.m. EDT
Frances top court has rejected a bid to pursue rape charges against a group of firefighters accused of repeatedly raping a girl known as Julie during a period between her 13th and 15th birthdays.
The men will instead be charged with sexual assault, which carries a lighter sentence than rape. Attorneys for Julies family plan to contest that decision and bring the case to Europes Court of Human Rights.
The horrific allegations in Julies case have galvanized protesters who want to see France institute stricter age-of-consent laws. Julie was 13 when she suffered a seizure in school and was rescued by firefighters. After the incident, she began to have severe anxiety attacks that repeatedly required firefighters to intervene, and developed a trusting relationship with the men, which they allegedly later exploited.
According to Julies family and lawyers, the firefighters got the teenagers phone number and began sending her flirtatious messages. Over a two-year period, she was allegedly raped by 20 men. According to her mother, she made multiple suicide attempts and is now struggling with severe disability.
The Wednesday judgment from Frances high court backs a lower appeals courts finding that Julie, now 25, had the necessary discernment to reject the mens advances, and argues that investigators failed to establish that all of the men were aware that Julie was a minor.
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By Antonia Noori Farzan
March 19, 2021 at 11:15 a.m. EDT
Frances top court has rejected a bid to pursue rape charges against a group of firefighters accused of repeatedly raping a girl known as Julie during a period between her 13th and 15th birthdays.
The men will instead be charged with sexual assault, which carries a lighter sentence than rape. Attorneys for Julies family plan to contest that decision and bring the case to Europes Court of Human Rights.
The horrific allegations in Julies case have galvanized protesters who want to see France institute stricter age-of-consent laws. Julie was 13 when she suffered a seizure in school and was rescued by firefighters. After the incident, she began to have severe anxiety attacks that repeatedly required firefighters to intervene, and developed a trusting relationship with the men, which they allegedly later exploited.
According to Julies family and lawyers, the firefighters got the teenagers phone number and began sending her flirtatious messages. Over a two-year period, she was allegedly raped by 20 men. According to her mother, she made multiple suicide attempts and is now struggling with severe disability.
The Wednesday judgment from Frances high court backs a lower appeals courts finding that Julie, now 25, had the necessary discernment to reject the mens advances, and argues that investigators failed to establish that all of the men were aware that Julie was a minor.
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Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2021/03/19/france-firefighters-consent-julie/
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Firefighters should not face charge of raping girl, French court rules (Original Post)
Eugene
Mar 2021
OP
On the pepe thread a poster said after simply an amorous Frenchman. I didn't want to spend the time
LizBeth
Mar 2021
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qazplm135
(7,496 posts)1. it's crazy to think that
as far as we have to go in the US on sexual assault, we are actually on the cutting edge world-wide, not because we are great, but because much of the world is still very, very bad on this.
LizBeth
(10,821 posts)4. On the pepe thread a poster said after simply an amorous Frenchman. I didn't want to spend the time
posting exactly the offense and issue with that. You are right, though.
niyad
(119,909 posts)2. Thank you so much for posting this heartbreaking, horrific story. May every single sick, twisted,
Pedophiles, and every single one of their enablers and excuses, receive EXACTLY everything they deserve.
bamagal62
(3,650 posts)3. Horrible.
bahboo
(16,953 posts)5. do they not have statutory rape in France....
I'm guessing not...