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(48,799 posts)
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 02:52 PM Aug 2018

Do You Use Somebody's First Name or Last Name? The Answer Speaks Volumes.

When discussing prominent figures in literature, we may mention such giants as Jane Austen, Hemingway, Dickens and Virginia Woolf. In contemporary politics, perhaps we’ll bring up Obama, Trump, Angela Merkel and Theresa May.

Did you notice anything odd about the preceding paragraph? There’s clearly a pattern: We referred to the women by full name and to the men by surname alone. That’s a tendency that’s common in many professional fields—and it could be a disadvantage for women.

In our research, we have discovered that people were more than twice as likely to refer to male professionals by surname only as they were to refer to female professionals that way. We also found that people generally regarded scientists referred to only by surname as more famous and eminent, a judgment that could result in more awards, funding and other career benefits.

Taken together, those findings suggest that the difference in the way we tend to refer to women and men might lead to gender bias in workplaces of all kinds.

In one of our studies, we analyzed hundreds of transcripts of political segments from radio shows—such as “Fresh Air,” hosted by Terry Gross, and “The Rush Limbaugh Show”—from 2014 and 2015. We examined how often pundits referred to politicians by surname only. Surname references made up 30% of all references to male politicians and 13% percent of references to female politicians.

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In a series of experiments, we asked participants to read about a few fictional scientific researchers. Some of the researchers were referred to by only their surname and some by their full name with a gender-neutral first name—Casey Boland, for instance. People consistently judged the surname-only researchers as more famous and eminent in their field than the full-name researchers. This was true even when two groups read identical information about the same researcher, who was referred to only by surname for one group and by full name for the other group.

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So, the next time you and your friends are discussing your favorite up-and-coming politicians, or people in your own field, take note of how you refer to the men versus the women. You might be communicating more than you realize.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/do-you-use-somebodys-first-name-or-last-name-the-answer-speaks-volumes-1534125720 (paid subscription)

Dr. Atir is a postdoctoral researcher at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business. Dr. Ferguson is a professor and chair of the psychology department at Cornell University.

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Do You Use Somebody's First Name or Last Name? The Answer Speaks Volumes. (Original Post) question everything Aug 2018 OP
obama/trump are american, may/merkel are foreign and likely to be less known msongs Aug 2018 #1
Well, if you said to me "Canada's Prime Minister Trudeau.. or "Britain's Prime Minister May" dixiegrrrrl Aug 2018 #5
Do you ever hear Pelosi? It is always Nancy Pelosi question everything Aug 2018 #7
This is fascinating! spicysista Aug 2018 #2
What about these people? Cartoonist Aug 2018 #3
Obvioulsy does not fit into every example but as an academic research question everything Aug 2018 #8
I notice it more in terms of respect given than sexual identity.. Moostache Aug 2018 #4
Also, if you say "Clinton" forgotmylogin Aug 2018 #6
a fascinating study. I notice that professional women are frequently referred to niyad Aug 2018 #9

msongs

(70,170 posts)
1. obama/trump are american, may/merkel are foreign and likely to be less known
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:08 PM
Aug 2018

so obama/trump get a last name only due to prominence. sounds like this study might have variable control issues

dixiegrrrrl

(60,011 posts)
5. Well, if you said to me "Canada's Prime Minister Trudeau.. or "Britain's Prime Minister May"
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:43 PM
Aug 2018

I would know who they are,


but I would not be sure who you meant if you said ..... "Trudeau said blah blah...."
would be confused if you meant the PM or the cartoonist.

in the case of Obama his name is world known, not likely to be mistaken with someone else.

Sadly, this means "trump" is gonna keep name recognition for ages.

Not sure if it has the same meaning if we said "Borden took an axe...."


spicysista

(1,731 posts)
2. This is fascinating!
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:19 PM
Aug 2018

I'm in a military community and have not noticed this. We typically refer to everyone by their last names.

Regarding authors:
I've only referred to male writers by their last names if they are super well known. For example, I'll usually say Poe, Koontz, and Hemingway. However, I almost say Stephen King and John Grisham. Since they're all well known, I'm not sure why I make these distinctions.
There may also be a cultural element that's not meant to detract, but rather to give respect. For example I always refer to Toni Cade Bambara by her full name and with a bit of a cadence. There's also something special about the way I say Zora (Neale Hurston), Toni (Morrison), and Nikki (Giovanni), never flat.... always as if I'm hearing music. It's a familiarity, to be sure. But I have nothing but the deepest respect and admiration for them. Hmmmm

Your name is perfect.

Moostache

(10,163 posts)
4. I notice it more in terms of respect given than sexual identity..
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 03:43 PM
Aug 2018

Politicians (right and left) have a tendency to use on the Surname and omit the honorific title when referring to someone they disagree with or wish to paint as subservient...hence "Bush" instead of "President Bush" or "Obama" instead of "President Obama"...this goes back a long way in American politics, I know at least as far back as President Kennedy (Eisenhower and earlier are somewhat different in the fact that "Ike" was widely known first as "General Eisenhower" and "Ike" well before eve becoming President)...

In the current times though, I refuse to call the usurper in chief by anything remotely in the same zip code as respectful, so it is "trump" or "orange shit gibbon" until we elect the 46th President of the United States for me...

forgotmylogin

(7,676 posts)
6. Also, if you say "Clinton"
Mon Aug 13, 2018, 04:27 PM
Aug 2018

It can be unclear whether you're referring to Hillary or Bill.

But I agree that "Clinton" with no first name should not default to Bill. It should be Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton.

niyad

(119,898 posts)
9. a fascinating study. I notice that professional women are frequently referred to
Wed Aug 15, 2018, 11:59 AM
Aug 2018

without their titles, and often by first name only.

sexism is so deeply entrenched that many are almost oblivious.

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