Racism vs, misogyny

[question everything]

I confess, took me long enough, years, really, but I finally figured it out.

It was when I listened to some of the conversation that Hillary had with Joy Reed on MSNBC.

Hillary mentioned that after we elected the first black president, that many thought that racism was laid to rest but then it came back, with full force.

Back in 2008, I was puzzled by the fact that many African Americans stated, proudly, that they would vote for Obama, without questioning his qualifications. His race was enough.

At the same time, many women said that just because they were women they were not going to vote for Hillary.

And we saw last year how many women still voted for Trump.

And then I realize that these two lines of bigotry are hardly parallel.

It is not that the 15th Amendment, prohibited denying the right to vote based on race passed in 1870, while the 19th Amendment denying the right to vote based on sex passed in 1920.

It is not that the movement for women rights of the 70s followed in the footsteps of the Civil Rights of the 60s.

No. It is the fact that we will not find a single African American, or Asian American, or Latino rejecting the right to equality.

Sadly, though, there are too many women who do not want equal rights. Who are perfectly happy being protected by the men in their lives; being happy to obey and to serve and to be subservient. And, of course, there are many men too happy to accommodate their wishes.

One of the puzzles of the 2016 elections was why did the Evangelicals, with their "family values," supported Trump. And one answer was that they were offended by Hillary being an independent, professional woman all her life, instead of staying home to take care of her home and family.

And then there is the issue of abortion that divides many women.

But my conclusion, and I know it took years, is that race bigotry is easier to eliminate that misogyny. That we cannot, yet, draw a conclusion that, hey we passed the race barrier in the highest office of the land, now we can do the same for sexual barriers.

Well, I probably meandered here just wanted to express this. Thank you for reading.

[Kath2]

1. Many women voted against themselves in 2016.

I don't know who they are and I do not understand them.

Thanks for your post!

[bobbieinok]

2. Evangelical churches strong emphasis on female subordination

Super strong emphasis since early 1990s. Many think it is despairing last ditch fight for male privilege.

Some see anti same sex marriage stance also part of this. With both partners male or both female it is impossible to see who is head and who is follower.

There is only one Evangelical leader who still claims 'biblical' support for black subordination/slavery. He's a mega leader in Idaho with a church, a denomination, and a 'college' (sorry, have forgotten his name).

Not to worry--he's a strong supporter of female subordintion. A few years ago he gained notoriety in Evangelical circles with a sermon in which he discussed in detail how the sex act itself depicts female subordination as the male triumphantly 'colonizing' the female!! Thereby 'proving' that such subordination is a part of 'god's divine natural order.'

[MLAA]

3. Oh god, that made me throw up 😬T

How little self esteem do these evangelical men have to have to think they must be smarter, stronger, better than all women?

[bobbieinok]

5. The friendly atheist blog had a stunned post about this

Herman Mehta (?) blog at patheos.

That preacher counseled a naive young woman to marry a confessed pedophile, claiming the man had repented and was 'saved.' IIRC they now have a child and a judge has restricted the man's time with his child.

The preacher is the most evil caricature of a preacher one could imagine. There was a blog monitoring his hideous words and deeds; not sure if it's stll around. The blog thewartburgwatch.com has a number of posts about him.

I believe the preacher's name is Doug Wilson.

[BigmanPigman]

4. Not until we elect with an overwhelming majority

a transgender/gay,etc., brown/"of color", poor, older, disabled and uneducated female as president by the GOP without obstruction in any way, shape or form will there even begin to have a president that represents ALL AMERICANS!

[Skittles]

6. sexism is far more pervasive than racism

America has never had a female president and we are OVER HALF THE POPULATION

[PdxSean]

7. How "many" did you ask?

"Back in 2008, I was puzzled by the fact that many African Americans stated, proudly, that they would vote for Obama, without questioning his qualifications. His race was enough."

Such bullshit was/is a right-wing, racist talking point. Surely there were many women who would proudly vote for Palin without questioning her qualifications.

"At the same time, many women said that just because they were women they were not going to vote for Hillary." Just as many black people said they would not base their voting decision solely on Obama's race.

P.S. Hillary got 3 million more votes than Trump, and but for party-wide Republican collusion with Russia, she would be President.