Pilots for 911 Truth: Mitoa Edjang

[wildbilln864]

[nationalize the fed]

1. Why

is a Spaniard more concerned with the truth than many Americans?



Hani Hanjour's Excellent Flying Abilities @500 mph

Talk about hitting the nail on the head! That's real skill! Especially for a "pilot" that couldn't rent a 2 man Cessna because he couldn't control it.

How does a hijacked airplane fly towards the defense headquarters of the Worlds Biggest SuperPower for 40 minutes without being intercepted?

At 08:54, Flight 77 began to deviate from its normal, assigned flight path and turned south. The hijackers set the flight's autopilot heading for Washington, D.C. By 08:56, the flight was turned around, and the transponder had been disabled.

The FAA was aware at this point that there was an emergency on board the airplane. By this time, American Airlines Flight 11 had already crashed into the North Tower of the World Trade Center, and United Airlines Flight 175 was known to have been hijacked and was within minutes of striking the South Tower. After learning of this second hijacking involving an American Airlines aircraft and the hijacking involving United Airlines, American Airlines' Executive Vice President Gerard Arpey ordered a nationwide ground stop for the airline. The Indianapolis Air Traffic Control Center, as well as American Airlines dispatchers, made several failed attempts to contact the aircraft

Why are at least 2 Pentagon clocks stopped at 9:32 when Flight 77 was supposed to have hit @9:37?


We are supposed to believe that the nose of Flight 77 made this hole and then - disappeared into little tiny pieces of metal. Right.



Why was Ted Olson confused about which phone his wife was using when she "called" him?

One day the whole truth will come out. Lots of internet username changes will occur soon after.

[wildbilln864]

2. If it ever does...

I figure they'll just disappear and won't post again. But I really don't think it will come out after this long but I hope I'm wrong.

[nationalize the fed]

3. Chin up, Sergeant

If General Washington had that attitude we'd be spelling Center Centre and Favorite Favourite

[wildbilln864]

4. touche'!

[hack89]

7. Couple of things

1. Why is it hard to believe that a couple of office clocks would be off by 5 minutes? Those clocks are cheaply made and not very accurate. If someone doesn't bother to adjust the time periodically then they will be off.

2. No one said the nose made that hole. It was either the debris being pushed ahead of the plane or a large piece of metal like an engine or the landing gear. There are pictures of both in the Pentagon.

[nationalize the fed]

9. It's a bit difficult to believe

that a single clock in the Pentagon was off by more than a few seconds let alone more than one being off by minutes. We're talking the Pentagon here, not some tire repair shop. There is/was probably a person or persons tasked with the responsibility to make sure every single clock is exactly correct every day of every year. This is the center of "defense" for the worlds biggest superpower after all and seconds mean a great deal in an emergency.

2 or more clocks off by minutes AT THE PENTAGON? Not buying it. Not for a second, so to speak.



And then there are the "official" time discrepancies:

The New York Times, the national newspaper of record, cited in a September 12, 2001, article, "Plane Slams Into Pentagon," that the attack occurred "about 9:30," but in a second article in the Times that day, Hijacked Jets Destroy Twin Towers and Hit Pentagon by Serge Schemann, the attack is said to have occurred "at 9:40 a.m." Then on September 15, in an article by Matthew Wald, "After the Attack: Sky Rules," the NYT gives the time of the attack as 9:45am.

The local newspaper of record, The Washington Post, first reported (at 4:59pm on 9-11-01,) that the plane crashed at 9:20am. But the Washington Post reported the next day that the plane crashed 17 minutes later, at 9:37am, Timeline in Terrorist Attacks (9-12-01) cached

A second large news organization embedded into the Pentagon, CNN also said in an early report that a plane had struck at 9:20 a.m.---CNN, in an interview between Bob Franken & Tim Timmerman, aired at 1:46pm on 9-11-01. But then again, in a CNN timeline, Chronology of terror, the strike is recorded at 9:43am.

So, here's a list. Feel free to add on.

9:20am The Washington Post By Barbara Vobejda (4:59pm on 9-11-01)
9:20am CNN interview Bob Franken & Tim Timmerman, (1:46pm on 9-11-01)
9:30am--"about," Reuters, (at 3:57pm on 9-11-01)
9:30am--"about," USAToday, Bush Vows Retaliation, (6:11am on 9-12-01)
9:30am--"about," The New York Times, Plane slams into Pentagon, (9-12-01)
9:30am "about" The Fredericksburg Free Lance-Star, 'Terrorists strike heart of nation's'
9:30am--"shortly after," U.S. News & World Report
9:36am Frank Probast, A defiant recovery
9:37am Newsday,
9:37am The Washington Post Timeline in Terrorist Attacks (9-12-01) cached
9:38am CNN, Chris Plante, Government Failed to React to FAA, (9-16)
9:38am Richard Clarke, Against All Enemies,
9:38am USAToday, 'Terror Attacks Brought Drastic...'(8-13-02)
9:40am AP, 'Pentagon attack came minutes after Rumsfeld predicted: 'There will be another event,' by Robert Burns, 5:58 p.m. 9/11/2001
9:40am Air Force Link
9:40am The New York Times, Day of Terror (9-12-01)
9:40am'Lawmakers, tourists race to flee crash,' by Gary Martin,San Antonio Express-News, 9-12-01
9:40am--"about," U.S. Medicine, 'Pentagon Medics Remember Ramos,'
9:43am Pentagram Dennis Ryan, 'Where is safe?' (9-14-01)
9:43am The New York Times, The Tragic Timeline (9-12-01) cached
9:43am The Washington Times, 'Rowan Scarborough Survivor studies the whys of 9-11-01,'
9:43am CNN timeline, Chronology of terror,
9:43am Daily Telegraph 'At 8.46am, the world changed in a moment,' 9-16-01
9:43am The Sunday Herald [Scotland] "The roots of the worst terrorist attack in history," by Neil Mackay
9:45am The New York Times, 'After The Attack: Sky Rules,' 9-15-01, Matthew Wald
9:45am Scripps Howard, 'At the Pentagon, Fear & Anger,'
9:45am National Electrical Contractors Assoc. 9-14-01, 'VDV Workers Dodge Death During...'
9:45am "about" The Baltimore Sun, 'Fire, chaos after attack on Pentagon,' (9-12-01)
10:00am--"just before," CNSNews.com, 'Witnesses Describe Pentagon Crash,' (9-11-01)

(*Sources available at link)
There we have it, a full 40 minutes of variation as to the exact timing of the attack which occurred September 11, 2001 in Arlington, Virginia.

Read the following; even the army itself was looking for help pinning down a likely ETOA.
"Since the time of plane impact at the Pentagon had often been reported with large scatter, the United States Army contacted us to inquire whether we could obtain an accurate time of the Pentagon attack on September 11, 2001 based upon our seismic network. We analyzed seismic records from five stations in the northeastern United States, ranging from 63 to 350 km from the Pentagon. Despite detailed analysis of the data, we could not find a clear seismic signal. Even the closest station (= 62.8 km) at Soldier’s Delight, Baltimore County, Maryland (SDMD) did not record the impact. We concluded that the plane impact to the Pentagon generated relatively weak seismic signals. However, we positively identified seismic signals associated with United Airlines Flight 93 that crashed near Shanksville, Somerset County, Pennsylvania. The time of the plane crash was 10:06:05 (EDT)."
MORE:http://stevenwarran.blogspot.in/2007/02/when-did-pentagon-get-attacked-exactly.html

There is this too: "The Most Important Video Shot On 911 That No One Has Seen"

This little mini press conference held by Porter Goss (co-author of the Patriot Act, and Co-Chair of the original commisson) outside the Capitol. Pay close attention: This conference took place sometime between the first tower hit in NY and whatever struck the Pentagon that morning. You can tell by the events in the video. Neither Porter Goss or anyone else had time to chat on the lawn after the main strike. So the airplane heard in this video is a key to what happened in DC that morning. And I believe that Porter Goss doesn't look too surprised that a Jet is flying over the capitol. Don't forget, the "official" planes that were to intercept the hijacked flight 77 were still minutes away- so it couldn't be noise from them.

This is a *crucial* recording. Because it may have the sound of the explosion that caused at least 2 clocks to stop at ~9:31. What do you think is the explosion *before* the jet noise?

2. No one said the nose made that hole. It was either the debris being pushed ahead of the plane or a large piece of metal like an engine or the landing gear. There are pictures of both in the Pentagon.

What is the "official" explanation? And if it was an engine, how did it get back inside the Pentagon?

The Pentagon exit hole is one of the most anomalous features of the Pentagon attack. It is 310 feet away from the impact area, near perfectly round and absolutely inexplicable in terms of the composite nose of a Boeing 757-200 "punching out". The other sore thumb about it is that it is avoided in ALL of the official reports.

"It is not explained in the Building Performance Report, the Shoring Report, the Arlington County After-Action Report or the 9/11 Commission Report.". The only report by an engineer commenting on it was linked right here at Rense.com. This article will attempt to support Michael Meyer's position that a type of shape charge was used.

If any part of an aircraft survived after traveling through the 24 inch thick steel reinforced, Kevlar mesh "E ring façade, blast resistant windows, all of the interior walls, pillars and office contents of 3 rings of the Pentagon, then why didn't it show itself in the A-E drive? And how did it break such a clean hole and then decelerate in the space of 30 feet so as not to even chip the opposing "B" ring wall?

Let's be sure that the official story from day one declared very loudly that it was the nose of the aircraft. Donald Rumsfeld stated, "Yeah. And then came in about"between about the first and second floor over here. And it went in through three rings. I,m told the nose is"is still in there, very close to the inner courtyard, about one ring away. (ABC News SHOW: Good Morning America 6:00 AM ET - ABC September 13, 2001 Thursday) There are many other quotes to supplement this from officials on the scene.
http://www.rense.com/general70/hole.htm

[hack89]

10. The Pentagon is merely a big office building

Yes it has a command center but the vast majority of people working there are civilian administrative workers. Policy, financial, HR - that is what really happens in the Pentagon. Operational control of forces is executed by the theater CINCs. There are tens of thousands of cheap office clocks in the Pentagon.

[wildbilln864]

5. and kick! n/t

[William Seger]

6. Edjang's description of what Hanjour did is nonsense

Anyone can compare Edjang's hyperbolic description to Hanjour's actual slow, wobbly turn as captured by the flight data recorder (skip to 1:18:25):

?t=1h18m25s

Edjang doesn't mention that a good pilot wouldn't have needed to make that turn, anyway: A good pilot could have held the plane in a sideways slip to avoid over-speeding and dove straight into the Pentagon. Hanjour's turn was the safe way for an inexperienced pilot to lose altitude without gaining too much speed.

Edjang also quotes Cap'n Bob Balsamo's absurd "9g acceleration" pulling out of the dive. If Edjang hasn't seen that bullshit refuted, then he must not have looked into it very far.

It's kind of bizarre hearing Edjang claim it would take extraordinary skill to hit some of the largest building in the world, considering that pilots of all skill levels manage to hit far narrower runways thousands of times every day.

But the best part is Edjang's incredulity that Hanjour had the remarkable skill to hit right at the base of the Pentagon wall. That kind of Texas Sharpshooter fallacy occurs frequently when you think backwards, starting at the conclusion. There is no reason to think that's the spot Hanjour was aiming for, and good reason to think he damn near blew the mission by hitting the bridge or the Pentagon lawn, because he wasn't an experienced pilot.

Another fail, wildbill.

[wildbilln864]

8. ah yes, another fail says Seger...