9/11 Aircraft - Why Fly So Fast?

[johndoeX]

"After releasing 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, 9/11: Intercepted, and Skygate 9/11, Pilots For Truth have been asked questions regarding the excessive aircraft speeds reported.

One commonly asked question is:
"If it is impossible for a standard 767 to perform at the speeds reported, why would the alleged terrorist or elements within our govt fly the aircraft so fast?""

[superbeachnut]

1. Dumbed down video for dumbed down followers, pilots for truth spread more nonsense

13th year after 911, and pilots for truth can't figure out a stock 767 hit the WTC tower. Pilots for truth ignore RARAR and video to spin a lie dumbed down for people who refuse to think for themselves.

Flight 175, proved on RADAR and video, speed not impossible. Pilots for truth can't comprehend evidence, they make up silly claims used as evidence.

An over speed alarm is going to stop a suicide pilot from flying fast. An alarm is going to stop murder. Pilots for truth using Microsoft Simulator to back their lies, that is rich. Idiot terrorist pilots will be stopped by an over speed alarm? ..., pilots have crashed planes with alarms going off, and they had experience in type, and crashed, with an alarm on, ignored by pilots with time in the aircraft. What is the point? As usual pilots for truth are using the same logic used to come up with 11.2g for 77 pullout, based waving hands and saying so.

Oops, fake Vg diagram is a new video of false claims.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=188863
Fake Vg diagram, in dumbed down video of woo, presented by 11.2g pilots for truth experts.
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/ephemera/sept11/balsamo/balsamo2.html

Funny stuff. Videos of nonsense, explained with another video of nonsense.

"After releasing 9/11: World Trade Center Attack, 9/11: Intercepted, and Skygate 9/11, Pilots For Truth have been asked questions regarding the excessive aircraft speeds reported.

One commonly asked question is:
"If it is impossible for a standard 767 to perform at the speeds reported, why would the alleged terrorist or elements within our govt fly the aircraft so fast?""

Who inside our government would murder Americans? Do you alway have fantasies about your government? You sound like McVeigh.

It is not impossible for a standard 767 to perform at speeds reported; thus your video is anti-intellectual claptrap, like your 11.2g failed math.

[johndoeX]

4. Thank you Beachy!

We have a pool going to see how fast "debunkers" who claim we are 'insignificant' will reply to this thread.

You came in under an hour. I won the pool!

Thank you!

Now we wait for the others....

[billhicks76]

10. They Are Always First

So this is the DU free speech zone I've heard about. "Creative Speculation". Never ceased to be amazed at how we self-censor ourselves. If we had a spine, brain and conscience then we never would've had an Iraq War or other unleashed Hells because we would've used 911 to forever banish the Bush Cabal from politics and into prison forever. I do know one thing. I saw Boeing 747s equipped with remote control to do crash tests back in 1998. Control Sytems had gone remote wireless before that when some firms from Israel first developed drones a few years before that. The first drone I saw was in 1996 that they developed and tested in Northern California on behalf of the National Guard looking for pot plants. It was considered borderline UFO stuff back then. So my guess is a few years later those 912 aircraft were fitted with the same technology and when the pilots tried to fly where they wanted they couldn't. This is why the one person who had access to the communications from the pilots did what he did. He knew. According to him the tapes were too terrifying so he seized them, cut them up into little pieces and scattered them throughout the airport in the trash bins. Evidence gone. Unbelievable. Who knows if there were even terrorists on those planes. The recordings were probably our pilots screaming,"What the Hell is going on!?!?"

[johndoeX]

12. Thanks for your post BillHicks76

Read more here ....

http://pilotsfor911truth.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=20048

[billhicks76]

18. I Know Many Engineers

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People don't sign up because they either don't know or don't want the fallout. I find it ironic that we call skeptics truthers. They are skeptical of official lies and want the truth. It's the ones peddling the official story who are not skeptics but, rather, are speculators. They cannot prove their theory. I can say for certain many structural engineers know the official story is BS. WTC #7 could not pancake in free fall from scattered fires. No buildings ever had done this from fire or just one explosion. It's beyond ridiculous.

[William Seger]

21. What would it take to convince you

... that 19 terrorists hijacked 4 planes and hit 3 of their targets?

[superbeachnut]

26. can't support the lie of impossible speed - repeat other failed nonsense

A load of BS, if you had evidence you would have a Pulitzer. No newspaper will team with you or 911 truth because you have no evidence. 911 truth has opinions based on ignorance.

No, you don't know or have many structural engineers who know the official story is BS. 911 truth has the support of 0.1 percent of all engineers; a silly fringe few who have no evidence.

Like pilots for truth with fake Vg diagrams, and lies of impossible speed, all of 911 truth is based on ignorance. 13 years of nonsense and not a single piece of evidence to support the fantasy of 911 truth.

Have you told the FBI of your evidence, the evidence you don't have. No Pulitzer for you and 911 truth. 13 years, 911 truth can't figure out 911.

No substance to support pilot for truth lies, so a Gish Gallop of other failed opinions on fires not fought.

60 Minutes? 20/20? Anyone taking up your overwhelming evidence you lost on the way to school...

Did the fake Vg diagram fool you, or was it the lie of an impossible speed. Why no progress in the 13 year? 13 years... wow

[billhicks76]

31. Ridiculous

You're stammering. I actually didn't watch the video and I'm uninterested. But I don't have an agenda like you do. You also know nothing about me or the people I work with. I stumbled into this article because it was trending. I didn't have time to watch a video. I find it ironic that questioning the 911 fairy tale is relegated to this speculation "free-speech" zone. I also know that those, right or wrong, who question authority and seek truth do it because their hearts tell them too. Those who hate, name call and detract always have an agenda and usually for less principled, genuine or virtuous reasons. I've come face to face with Bush Sr a few times. You can feel the untrustworthiness seeping off him. Yes he's a politician but there is something darker going on. That doesn't mean anything regarding 911 but I don't trust anyone in that family and I know thousands of lives mean nothing to them. My guess is they facilitated the event and forced the world to change for their own selfish goals. Good thing they had the Patriot Act prewritten and PNAC asking for a Pearl Harbor like event in the late 90s to convince the public to invade the Middle East. Every crash, attack or assassination had a commission to investigate throughout our history within days. These people wanted none...ever. Then after 14 months of pressure they gave in after evidence was destroyed. They wanted Kissinger to run it. Lol. They couldn't look more guilty. But people fear them. I recall Condi testifying under oath that they never had imagined a plane used as a weapon. That's a bald faced lie and good thing she refused to testify under oath because I myself saw CNN report in 2000 that the US installed anti-aircraft artillery around the tiny island of Genoa for the G8 Summit because they were afraid of kamikaze attacks using airliners. It was right there on Headline News. And then they lied us into Iraq with hundreds of thousands dead. It's simple really. People are too lazy to have to reorganize their belief systems when they discover a Big Lie that supports much of what they believe. They can't play Jenga with their reality so they go along. It's just easier that way. We weren't even told about the Jews in concentration camps till after the war was over but people knew. Good luck with your philosophy. Don't be bitter.

[William Seger]

35. What would it take to convince you

... that 19 terrorists hijacked 4 planes and hit 3 of their targets?

Here are recordings and transcripts of the communications with the planes, which you seem to think were destroyed.

I'd bet that the 9/11 Commission Report contains a lot of evidence that you are unaware of, since it seems you haven't read it. Can you explain to me why I should prefer your paranoid suspicions over the evidence?

[superbeachnut]

36. you did not watch the video, and debunk it

I am typing, not stammering, and your comments, a Gish Gallop, you have no clue what is in the video you support with Gish Gallop nonsense, PNAC BS.
You can't waste time to study 911, you know it was an inside job, you call 19 terrorists and four crashed aircraft a "911 fairy tale" too lazy to check the facts, you know it is a fairy tale because of some bias on PNAC, with the big army of one, Dick Cheney and his shotgun shooting big donators ...

Yep, 911 truth using their hearts, political bias and ignorance, they know the real event, what happened did not happen, but it was an inside job, and all of this BS 911 truth claims are based on, zero evidence. Why, questioning 911 boils down to ignorance, no knowledge of 911. Using their hearts, biases, when they need facts and evidence, and critical thinking skills.

Bush Sr, that is your evidence for what? Because you hate someone means 911 was an inside job - sounds like those who hate Clinton, making up people he killed, lies like 911 truth have; born in bias and hate - your are projecting.

You don't have to watch a video, so you have no clue it is filled with lies based on ignorance. You don't have the time to watch, so you support liars because it is their heart to lie, and make up delusional claims about 911 - you don't have time to watch, so you think spreading lies is okay, the right thing to do. Lie about the murder of thousands by 19 terrorists, you can't figure out who did 911, you blame PNAC.

You're stammering. I actually didn't watch the video and I'm uninterested. But I don't have an agenda like you do. You also know nothing about me or the people I work with.

You make up the fantasy "they" did 911, and don't have time to watch the video of lies, which supports your fantasy; to study 911 evidence would ruin your PNAC fantasy of woo.

PNAC did not ask for a new Pearl Harbor, they said it would take an event like Pearl Harbor to change the military... but in reality, if you had been paying attention, the military has been trying to change since 1990 (big event back then) since the military realized the threat has changed. You turn PNAC in to some secret army, and make up fantasy you can't support.

Now you spread lies about PNAC, and a prewritten Patriot Act, spreading lies like the video you can't watch, or understand.

I fly jets, and like Condi, I never imagined idiots flying stolen jets into buildings; I guess conspiracy theorists like yourself image all sorts of stuff. Wait, you say aircraft did do it. OOPS, you debunked the video.

The video you can't afford to watch cause it might ruin your inside job fantasy says it can't be stock airliners, had to be modified or some other far out delusional fantasy. Yet you are ripping Condi for not expecting stolen airliners used to attack the USA. I assume you wrote a paper before 911 warning us of the danger of 19 terrorists and four aircraft. What, you did nothing, yet you are saying Condi should have, but you can't.

So you agree it was 4 stock 767/757 aircraft used by 19 terrorists, and you now endorse the official story, cause if you attack Condi for her statement, it means you support the official story of 19 terrorist and four aircraft. So you did imagine 19 terrorists cutting pilots throats and taking four commercial aircraft as weapons. Why did you fail to warn us? You have debunked the video.

Iraq had nothing to do with 911, except they (some of them) were happy it happened. Did Bush Jr fool you. I thought you did not trust Bush? I never liked Saddam, he was shooting at my fellow pilots, and he tried to kill me; so attacking him is something I would do for free. Yet you want Saddam back? He did not do 911. Why get all off topic.

The video you did not watch tries to say 767/757 can't fly as fast as they did, and offers zero evidence. Your weak attack on Condi kind of debunks the video. Since Condi is in on 911, it is silly to attack her statement, since you would be admitting it was 19 terrorists and four stock 757/767s, not some inside job you cooked up because you hate Bush Sr. Why don't all those who don't like Bush make up lies of an inside job like you have... all without any evidence, just made up silly claims about PNAC, and failure to comprehend what PNAC said. Why lie about Bush, when there is so much to not lie about.

911 is an event, one you don't have a clue what happened, and admit you have not time to learn. Your opinions are not much support for your inside job fantasy. Stammering, is that projection too

lol, what evidence was destroyed? You freely repeat the 911 truth slogans and claims and come up evidence free.

Does the heart stuff work for other events. If you team lost the Super Bowl, do you use your heart to lie and say they won? Is that 911 truth logic, or what

[billhicks76]

45. Wow

Sorry but you seem just too full of it. On every level. And I never said I supported what's in the video. I never addressed it because I didn't watch it. And yes 911 was most certainly an inside job. By the way close to 60% of New Yorkers believe it too according to a Zogby poll.

[superbeachnut]

57. wow, Wow - is that how they justified burning Witches, they took a poll

You did not watch some failed support for some claim of impossible speed, which was proved wrong by RADAR and video.
Yet you know 911 was an inside job because of a poll.

How will you know who is full of it, unless you take a poll.

19 terrorists did 911 with four aircraft, it was not an inside job, it was a terrorists attack. You don't study 911, you study the polls. Means you don't know what is being talked about, you did not come to the post prepared.

No big deal, pilots for truth spread lies, you don't care. You blindly say I am full of it, yet you have no idea what we are talking about, and you know due to a poll, 911 was an inside job. You can take your evidence and support Bigfoot with the same results.

[fadedrose]

40. Isn't this forum a waste of your time?

There are topics that might interest you - pets, birds, politics, the Lounge, etc., where you can argue and actually come to some agreement because some things are accepted fact or are provable.

Creative Speculation is a safe place for people who think creatively, and they're not expecting a debunking. It cuts down on the posting when people feel they're being made fun of. Some people don't have "fun" unless they're beating up someone, physically or mentally. Pity, and some deserve sympathy.

I don't always believe everything posted here, even when I post a theory, but I understand the reason for the forum and hope that others won't be discouraged from posting.

Some of these rich imaginations might someday say, "See, I told ya!", and I hope they carry on till then.....it hurts no one...

[superbeachnut]

41. A waste of time ... is that an opinion, fact, or creative speculation

Creative Speculation is place for people to...
"Discuss conspiracy theories and other highly-speculative topics. Free-thinkers and skeptics are both welcome. When posting, please be mindful of the DU"

I am skeptical of the lies spread on 911. "skeptics are ... welcome"

Waste of time. Opposing lies about 911 is a waste of time to those who let lies go unchecked, like when Hitler lied about the Jews, unchecked, ruined a nation. Is it best to let lies and fantasy about 911 go unchecked.

911 truth lies, unchecked, fuel the hate and bias of people like the Boston bombers. 911 truth/pilots for truth are yelling fire, and it is a lie.

How do you get people to think for themselves to do something as simple as gain knowledge, to look up the purpose of this group, for example...
"Discuss conspiracy theories and other highly-speculative topics. Free-thinkers and skeptics are both welcome. When posting, please be mindful of the DU"

Why appease liars, when you can speak up and try to shine a light on the darkness of ignorance and lies born out of bias and hate.

The video is not creative speculation, it is a lie based on ignorance. pilots for truth claim it to be the truth. Spreading the idea 911 was an inside job using lies, not a healthy thing to do. Why waste time appeasing people who spread lies.

This is the perfect place to discuss fantasy conspiracy theories of 911 truth/pilots for truth. They post their fantasy, and end up the same as UFOs, and Bigfoot, failed delusions not backed with evidence, backed with ignorance, or illusions.

RADAR and video dovetail to prove it is possible for a 767/757 to crash at high speed. The high speeds are not under debate, they are facts of the case, facts of the event where 19 terrorists are solely responsible for the damage and murder of thousands. pilots for truth spread the fantasy of an inside job with the lie of impossible speed.

A fantasy based on lies. The same old lies from many years ago, not creative, not speculation, lies. Are facts and evidence prohibited in the discuss of lies and fantasy, the only product of 911 truth/pilots for truth. got to go waste time and cut the grass, it keeps coming back, got to go waste time and continue living

"Creative Speculation is a place for people to - Discuss conspiracy theories and other highly-speculative topics. Free-thinkers and skeptics are both welcome."

[fadedrose]

42. I think you handled disagreeing with me beautifully

Never once mentioned all my flaws, mental or physical....

And if you know something is stupid, you are right to say it's stupid.

But this has been a favorite forum of mine because it's got a lot of theories that are kind of silly, and some are good. I like GD the best, but am not always in the mood for politics.. But the GD people who have been posting for over 7000 posts, well over In most cases, are masters at insulting people and have it down to a fine art.

The posters here for the most part are new, and it's just turned into a battle of who can insult who the most without the experience of knowing how...I've been insulted over ufo stuff so much, but it's usually lighthearted and make the point that I'm an idiot without them actually saying so.

It's fun if you don't take it too seriously, and most of the people who post are sincere, and judging by the number of posts the posters have, they're having the fun of being new.

[William Seger]

43. Here's the problem with conspiracism

The typical conspiracist -- whether JFK or 9/11 or moon hoax -- believes that all the evidence we have was faked and all the "real" evidence must have been covered up. The typical conspiracist gets to a point where he or she starts thinking that anyone who ignores the CTs is a gullible sheep, but anyone who argues against them has an "agenda" or is even a "shill." That puts conspiracism in a different category than ordinary "speculation" that's been promoted to "fact": This kind of thinking leads to a delusional spiral that slips farther and farther away from evidence-based reasoning and reality. As imperfect as it is for knowing "the truth," evidence-based reasoning has proven to be the best way we have of knowing and understanding the world. Speculating is fine; conspiracism is an intellectual blight.

[billhicks76]

46. Coincidence Theorists

Wasnt it FDR who said nothing in politics is coincidence ?

[wildbilln864]

53. here's the problem with propagandists...

no one believes their BS! Lumping it with moon hoax mumbo jumbo doesn't change that! Just makes em look foolish. But I suspect they don't care anyway as they get paid by their word count maybe or what ever their reasons for monitoring the DUngeon for a decade or so now. And yet they haven't changed anyone's mind in ten years.

[William Seger]

54. Thanks

... for proving my point.

[AZCat]

28. That doesn't match my experience.

I have never met a structural engineer who questioned the commonly understood causes of the collapses. There have been a few mechanicals who were proponents of alternative theories like thermite, but no structurals. And I know quite a number of both.

[AZCat]

29. Wow - you're behind the times.

The infamous C.I.D. was back in 1984. Now, arguably it was a B-720, not a B-747, but the principle is the same.

[superbeachnut]

34. 911 truth is fantasy, no evidence for failed claims - should be in a fantasy section, lies about 911

Nope, the 911 aircraft were stock aircraft, not your fantasy stuff.

The screaming on ATC tapes, flight 93 pilots being murdered, and now 911 truth make up lies about 911 based on ignorance. The tapes are public domain, your research skills are ...

The ATC tapes were not erased, you have no idea what you are talking about. BTW, Iraq did not do 911. The ATC tapes destroyed were after the fact controllers talking about 911, and not tapes of 911 communications. Bad research.

Are you defending the lie of impossible speeds? And you are presenting the fantasy of remote control, and modified aircraft? What a bunch of BS.

[delphi72]

39. 747 Crash Tests?

I saw Boeing 747s equipped with remote control to do crash tests back in 1998.

747s? Did you? Would you perchance have any links to that? Crash tests, please, not some NASA or NTSB program experimenting with remote controls. That has always been there.

Any discussion about how frequent or new or old or whatever remote control flight is is really a silly argument. Joe Kennedy died when his experimental remote-controlled aircraft blew up over the Channel in 1944. There has never been any question about the relative technology of "remote control" aircraft. The absurd argument is that it was used on 9/11. There is no evidence at all - none, zip, nada, zilch, nein, nyet, zero - for any of that happening to either of the 757 or 767 aircraft. To claim such is nothing but naked rampant speculation and guessmongering based on what someone wants to have happened and in no way is based on any sort of evidence or logic.

Case in point: You claim:

and when the pilots tried to fly where they wanted they couldn't.

Yet United 93 ended up being flown into the ground. If. indeed. that aircraft (as well as the others) was "fitted with the same technology" you claim (whatever magical technology that would be), why would those All Powerful Controllers crash the aircraft when they had complete control and could have continued on their nefarious plot/flight?

Sounds like you are an ideal candidate for PfT. You probably should take up Balsamo's suggestion and go read their woo. Balsamo would appreciate yet another aviation-challenged intellectual eunuch in his ranks.

[ablamj]

44. Re: U93

Because it made for a good story...

[billhicks76]

47. Don't You Read

I said "my guess". I don't claim anymore than that. Isn't that was speculation is? And you disagreeing still doesn't make it not true one way or the other.

[zappaman]

2. Man, troofers are just a pathetic bunch at this point.

At least there are fewer and fewer every day, eh?

[wildbilln864]

55. more every day! sorry to burst your delusional bubble.

A&E is now up to over 2100. More than 60% of NYers don't believe the official conspiracy theory. So you're wrong. But say it with your eyes closed if it helps convince yourself.

[superbeachnut]

56. Spreading lies, 911 truth's only action, the movement is evidence free

A&E, less than 0.1 percent of all engineers, and no evidence.

The real scam is Gage taking in 500k/yr in donations used to travel the world, and spreading lies to get more donations and taking no action.

Why are 911 truth follower's posts evidence free?

[William Seger]

3. B-List conspiracy huckster Rob Balsamo flaunts his dishonesty

After demonstrating that you don't understand the basic principles of structural engineering well enough to even discuss FAR 25 intelligently, you post another video with the same ignorance-based, refuted arguments and fake diagrams?

Rent due, Rob?

Why did AA175 so fast? They were in a hurry. Mystery solved.

If "elements within the government" had "tipped them off" about launched fighters, they would have been told not to worry; they had plenty of time.

[johndoeX]

5. Speaking of the Devil.....

I won the next pool as well....

Thank you Seger!

by the way Seger, there was no such thing as "AA175" on 9/11. Don't bother to edit, I already have it screenshot saved...



Look at it this way.. .your attention to detail is consistent... basically... non-existent.

[William Seger]

6. LMAO

Desperate much, Rob?

[johndoeX]

7. Desperate?

Not really...

But we did get a great laugh ... and i won a few bucks.... due to the fact you and Beachy are so predictable.

Keep it up.... Maybe I'll start another pool and I'll post another thread.

I would ask if you wanted in on the action... , but you are the horse we are betting on... and you come in every time...

[William Seger]

9. Did you win enough to pay the rent?

If not, post another bullshit video here and see if you can get the fool to go for double or nothing.

Looks like the elite engineers of the PfffT Air Core haven't jumped to the defense of your "no factor of safety beyond Vd" theory over here. But now that you've solved the mystery of why they flew so fast -- I'm assuming you did, although I couldn't find it in that video -- I trust you are now working on your own presentation? If you think I "poisoned the well" there (by asking about the same issue I posed to you in this post), chose any engineering forum you like.

(Anyone wishing to make a side bets, PM me.)

But on the other hand, you're right it wasn't AA175. Feel better?

[johndoeX]

11. Seger asks - "Did you win enough to pay the rent?"

Nah.... the stakes are not that high in this subforum as hardly anyone reads it.

I won 10 bucks if you really want to know. That is all you are worth.

Beachy won me about 50 cents. His odds are completely predictable.

[William Seger]

13. Aw, too bad

You want in on the "no factor of safety beyond Vd" action?

[johndoeX]

14. "no factor of safety beyond Vd"?

I already know that Factor... and the FAA has approved me to teach it... since 1996.

You wanna know the difference between you and the members of P4T?

We can be called into a Court of Law as Aviation Experts.... and ... we have.

You would be laughed out of the Court Room.. .because.. .not only have you admitted you are not an Engineer... but you are a Draftsman.... and a Former one at that...

Keep going Seger! You just may win me another 5 bucks!

[William Seger]

16. Is that a "no"?

I'm giving short odds.

[johndoeX]

17. Good luck with that...

Wanna know the other difference between you and me?

I am making money off of your predictability.

Are you making any money for arguing with me?

If not, that is pretty sad....

[William Seger]

19. Cap'n Bob of the Hot Air Core

Seems to me, your "no factor of safety beyond Vd" theory has nose-dived beyond its Vsd (Self-destruct Velocity), exceeded even Critical Mock, and suffered severe structural failure due to having no margin of sanity. So, I suppose you're right; I don't expect to get any bets about you posting it on an engineering forum. Even you don't believe Rob Balsamo any more.

[johndoeX]

20. Seems to me...

You are nothing but a Draftsman (and a former one at that) who didn't even know what Vd meant last week. And now thinks he knows everything about aerodynamics because of a post on the Physics Forum in which only one person (anonymous) has replied, who has admitted he in an "Engine Guy" and cannot comment of specific aircraft designs because he is not a "Airframe Guy".

It appears you are a very lonely person William. Don't fret, i will be back from time to time to give you a reason to live.... (and for me to earn a few extra dollars for P4T based on your predictability).

[William Seger]

22. "I'm bailing!" shouted Cap'n Bob (n/t)

[William Seger]

30. Caught behind enemy lines with his pants down...

... Cap'n Bob tries his famous "LOOK OVER THERE!" strategy.

Pictures of me? What you really need is a mirror, Rob.

[superbeachnut]

33. failed to explain why pilots for truth lie about impossible speeds with fake Vg diagram

Fake Vg diagram. Do you know the numbers are plotted wrong? Any clue

Do pilots for truth know you can post from the golf course, on a phone or laptop? Why would anyone be behind a screen, in Turbofans basement?

most of his days sitting in front of his computer - says johndoeX

One of my hobbies is catching an up to 25 percent clone flying, with a camera - would use Kodachrome, but can't - so 16 to 36 mega pixels will have to do.


oh noes, i take thousand of photos of my kids kids, etc...

most of his days sitting in front of his computer - says johndoeX

Did you say my family abandoned me? Is that the same logic you used to fake the Vg diagram and lie about 911?

Why can't we have a family and fly, scuba dive, run, take photos, coach, travel, build computers, build speakers, grow walnuts, peaches, apples, and plums... etc why would you limit your activities...

Why do pilots for truth lie about 911

[superbeachnut]

8. No evidence, false talk of impossible speeds backed up with nothing

Dumbed down talk of impossible speeds, backed up with special math.
http://www.cesura17.net/~will/ephemera/sept11/balsamo/balsamo2.html
pilots for truth are less than 0.1 percent of all pilots, yet account for 100 percent of the lies about 911 related to flying, and failed knowledge on aerodynamics.

The Vg diagram is fake, this has not changed. A video backed up with fake Vg diagram.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=188863

Where is the Pulitzer Prize? Why can't pilots for truth team with a newspaper and earn a Pulitzer? They have lies, fantasy, and delusional claims - no Pulitzer.

https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt
When you disagree with pilots for truth, they show their McVeigh like paranoia.

911 truth, 13 years of failed claims, fantasy, and apologizing for 19 murderers, who can fly better than pilots for truth - pilots for truth brag about how they can't hit the WTC or Pentagon in the safety of a simulator. oh man

[johndoeX]

15. Beachnut flew a desk

Don't let Beachy fool you. Most of his flight time was flying a desk.

"I only had 7 combat support missions, I had to fly a desk the rest of the time." - superbeachnut


This is why he is unable to visually identify the difference between a 757 and an A320, why most of his rebuttals are incoherent and repetitive, and why he is unable to understand even his own VG diagrams which demonstrate structural limitations.

[superbeachnut]

24. why pilot for truth claims are bogus, and lack logic, and knowledge, plain don't make sense

Who is upset the USAF turned them down, and failed to get an ATP.

Don't let Beachy fool you. Most of his flight time was flying a desk. - johndoeX

Makes zero sense, might explain why pilots for truth can't figure out 911.

What does it mean?

How can desk time be flight time. My thousands of hours in jets, was in a jet, not a desk. I suspect this lack of knowledge and fail logic are used to fake the Vg diagram, make up silly math of 11.2g junk science, and the lie of impossible speed.

Most my flight time was flying a desk makes no sense, since all my flying time is in the cockpit.

My first supersonic desk...

the pilot who had everything

Showing my daughter another flying desk, a heavy desk...

[superbeachnut]

23. Fake Vg diagram used again, and more lies

At 7:18, a fake Vg diagram.

Why did johndoeX fake the Vg diagram?

Each airplane has its own Vg diagram in its Aircraft Flight Manual. I'll keep looking around for the 757. - johndoeX

johndoeX, failed to find a Vg diagram from Boeing, so he faked it. Photo shopped numbers and faked it to support the lie of impossible speed. LOL, the g load is not labeled, and no altitude is specified. oops, proves pilots for truth have no clue why their Vg diagram is fake, making the claim of having experts, BS.

At 2:33, the big lie from pilots for truth, structural failure at 425 KEAS.


At 6:55, pilots for truth show video from 911, it proves it was Flight 175, a stock 767 going fast, verified it was 175 with RADAR. The video and RADAR match. RADAR tracked 175 from take off to impact. Pilots for truth lied about the impossible speed. In the video pilots for truth included RADAR information, they have all the raw RADAR data from 911 which proves it was a stock 767, Flight 175.
Jeffrey Lynn Latas, a pilot for truth conspiracy theorist is a current Jet Blue pilot and he uses RADAR to keep separation and safety. Jeffrey Lynn Latas is flying using RADAR now, and never has Jeffrey Lynn Latas written up RADAR as not being true information, or has Jeffrey Lynn Latas stopped flying because RADAR is not reliable. Jeffrey Lynn Latas is still flying using RADAR, thus Jeffrey Lynn Latas does not support pilots for truth impossible speed lie because Jeffrey Lynn Latas knows RADAR verified it was Flight 175, just as RADAR is used when Jeffrey Lynn Latas flys for Jet Blue.

Jeffrey Lynn Latas, is he using RADAR? big fail for pilots for truth, who still use RADAR to fly.

OOPS, pilots for truth pilots failed to write up RADAR, and knowingly suppport liars and lies about 911, but still use RADAR to fly.

A fake Vg diagram, not news to fake stuff, and lie about 911. pilots for truth lie to sell DVDs to gullible people, people who can't think for themselves, lacking the comprehension to see pilots for truth lies.

i have thousands of hours in jets... taught probably over 100 students.. .and im CFI II MEI ATP - johndoeX

Like spreading lies of impossible speed, a big lie about having an ATP. Why the big lie about the ATP?

Each airplane has its own Vg diagram in its Aircraft Flight Manual. I'll keep looking around for the 757. - johndoeX

This was funny, finding motive for faking the Vg diagram to support fantasy.

[superbeachnut]

32. the Vg diagram is fake, and the topic is not me

I think your family is so happy you spread lies about 911, and treat everyone so nice.
https://sites.google.com/site/wtc7lies/semiliterateparanoiacswhofantasizeaboutt

Making fun of my family, got some rumors you want to spread; can't find evidence to fix your lies, so you talk about me. cool

You seem to have tendencies to make up stuff; what does your family think about the lies you spread.

Yes, my family has ...
not abandoned me ... (photo, not 20 years old... more like recent)

My first desk job, a T-38, pulled 7.33g, and did aerobatics - explaining flying to 5 of 6 grandsons. I have 5 grandkids this weekend, how do I get abandoned from my family so I can sit at my computer all day. If I typed really slow, and had real slow computers, I would have to sit at the computer all day; but I type too fast, why can't you.

Fake Vg diagram exposes pilots for truth lack experts in aerodynamics.
http://forums.randi.org/showthread.php?t=188863

[delphi72]

37. Balsamo Looking for Another Ban

With his "jury hidden post", looks like Balsamo is striving for yet another board ban. When someone is eventually banned from every discussion board he ever joins, what does that say about that person's mental health?

[delphi72]

38. More Balsamo Brilliance

Can't beat this sort of logic. Because of a loud and obnoxious overspeed klaxon, al Qaeda terrorists would be dissuaded from entering into that regime. They have no problem killing pilots in their seats, or cutting off the heads of their enemies, or driving a vehicle-borne IED (VBIED) into a town square or market or kill children in front of their family or village to establish control, but a loud alarm would keep them from flying fast.

You get more ridiculous every day.

[wildbilln864]

48. It's a pile on there huh buddy?

Hate when that happens. Don't let em get you down though. It's what they do.

[superbeachnut]

49. When you spread lies, everyone knows it, save a few faith based followers

Where is the evidence to support the lie of the impossible speed? Why is 911 truth evidence free.

[wildbilln864]

50. you're right everyone does know your BS! n/t

[wildbilln864]

51. the dungeon squad's in full force in this thread huh!?

Yet no one's falling for it!

[superbeachnut]

52. Why would people spreading lies be down, it is a job, sell lies on DVD, capitalism

Why can't you supply knowledge to help pilots for truth? Their impossible speed lie was proved wrong with RADAR and video. The facts make the claim of an impossible speed a failed lie to sell DVDs filled with delusions about 911.

911 truth followers can't present evidence to support claims. Claims from pilots for truth remain false.

Can you explain why Flight 175 can't go 590 mph? No, you can only supply verbal support for failed claims - zero support.

Making fun of those murdered by 19 terrorists. Ironically pilots for truth brag about how they can't hit the biggest office building in the world like the terrorist pilot did; and pilots for truth were in a simulator. How do they land on 150 foot wide runways with heavy jets? Why does the leader of pilots for truth not have the PhD of flying, an ATP. I do, why did the pilots for truth founder fail to get the ATP. Do you know? Like Gage's failed followers, with less than 0.1 percent of all engineers, pilots for truth have less than 0.1 percent of all pilots. I wonder if that pilot who went crazy in Jet Blue while flying was a pilots for truth core member.

Anyway, why are 911 truth followers unable to present evidence? Did the dog eat it? Wind blew it away. Where is the "overwhelming" evidence from 911 truth? The bit bucket

What does Boeing say is the structural failure speed of a 767/757? pilots for truth can't find it, can you help them

Boeing built the 767/757 to 1.2Vd, thus the aircraft should maintain control to 580 mph, and as seen on 911, 590 mph for Flight 175.

Flight 77 did not exceed 580 mph, it was only over Vmo for 20 seconds, and then it crashed. Looks like all the planes on 911 that went over Vmo crashed.

Flight 11 was only at Vd at impact, a speed flight tested. Thus the lies of impossible speed don't apply to Flight 11, did you know you support nonsense.

Flight 93 was flown into the ground by terrorists too afraid to face Flight 93 Passengers who figure out 911 in minutes, 12 years faster than you and 911 truth, and pilots for truth. Flight 93 speed is not relevant, all systems were working and any modern airliner at 40 degrees nose low will exceed Mach1 if there is room, and the pilots are not loading up the aircraft.

What is your expertise for flying and aerodynamics.