Never Seen a Compelling Argument for this 'Chemtrails' thing.

[The Doctor.]

The 9/11 false flag operation is pretty well settled despite efforts to obfuscate and misdirect. There's overwhelming evidence and even proof for that. It'll just be about 50 years before people will accept it.

Chemtrails, otoh, has nothing behind it that I've seen.

Also, what's the deal with these supposed 'FEMA Camps'? If those are real, then some very important pieces fall into place.

Don't care what the suppressionists have to say. Just want to see if there's any substance to those two other things.

[Codeine]

1. "Suppressionists"?

Jesus fuck.

[The Doctor.]

2. Climate change deniers I sometimes refer to as 'denialists'.

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Generally I mean 'people who go out of their way to shut down speculation and skepticism regardless of how substantive it is' and usually because it's about 'big scary things'.

Thanks much for your useless contribution.

[Codeine]

3. You're welcome. Now excuse me while I go suppress someone. . . nt

[saras]

4. If you look for weather modification, you'll find out all you need to about "chemtrails"

You won't if you hang out with the crazies, especially the ones who are paid to keep controversial issues crazy.

Nothing special about it except attempts to research and/or mitigate global warming without admitting what they're doing.

Plenty of government docs, news specials, military publications, all going back decades. China and Russia admit it. The US admits it. What's so hard to find?

[hack89]

5. The government has not admitted to chemtrails

statements have been twisted out of context but the notion of a huge, nation wide program of spraying the atmosphere is nonsense.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

10. Personally, I find these claims of government consiracies to be an insult to good Democrats

Except during those times when the positor has legitimate psychiatric issues.

For people to claim chem trails or FEMA camps or any other massive control program is at work is to ignore the logistics behind such an undertaking and the fact that good people are being accused of complicity.

Some of the people claiming, "ZOMG! They're gonna bug-spray our minds and lock us all in sleep-away band camp!" will turn right around and tell you, "Obama and Pelosi are our true champions!" when they're in GD.

What they seem to forget is that from 2007 until 2011 Nancy Pelosi led congress. ALL spending bills crossed her desk. She would either be monumentally oblivious of the prgrams and the requisite funding or she is part of the scheme. Remember, she was part of the oversight committee that knew about CIA black sites, etc. There is nothing she is not privy to regardless of which party occupies the WH.

Speaking of the WH: are we to believe the construction and maintenance of FEMA camps continues under Obama's watch? After all, FEMA is an executive agency. What good would these camps do to the alleged PTB if there was a president unwilling to give the order (PTB that, BTW, can rig elections with supposed impunity)?

But go ahead and say, "Eh...I'm not keen on Obama or Pelosi over policy X" and you will be greeted by howls that you're selling us out to the nefarious powers. Yet, the conspiratorialists imply Obama and Pelosi and Reid and Sanders and Kiucinich and Grayson and Feingold and *insert name of solid progressive here* are blithely signing-off year-after-year on some impending authoritarian coup.

One wonders why the CTers are here when some RW militia site would be better suited to countering the presumed threat.

[zappaman]

6. Who doesn't fucking loooooove chemtrails threads? n/t

[saras]

7. Like artificial intelligence, if you define everything proved as "not chemtrails" you wont find any

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/08/27/on-the-pursuit-of-weather-modification/

[The Doctor.]

8. Okay, so it's just basic research-type stuff that people have blown way out of reason.

The logistics of some of the silly stuff I've heard just made no damn sense. Sorry, but you aren't going to affect populations by dumping a few thousand gallons of something that someone is going to notice going on a plane.

I'm sure there are ways, but it's not terribly realistic.

[saras]

11. Well, there are wackos who will run with anything. Hopefully we don't judge ideas by them

I noticed that weather modification made the Project Censored top 25 stories this year. If everything they were doing was standard weather mod and not experimental, I can't see any real need for the censoring.

[The Doctor.]

12. There may be proprietary issues.

If they are testing potential patents, that would make sense.

[Grateful for Hope]

9. I am not sure there is any substance to the last two items.

I particularly have a hard time believing that there are FEMA camps, although I have seen this meme on the internets.

A personal story about FEMA:

I live in NY State, and we were very hard hit by hurricane Irene back in late August. My neighborhood was evacuated because of flooding, and we were taken by emergency personnel to a local facility where they treated us with respect. They fed us, and they even bought supplies for the animals that we brought along (I brought my two cats).

The aftermath was and remains a nightmare for many of our neighborhood residents. Many have had their homes condemned. I was one of the lucky ones who had less severe damage and my home is liveable. Needless to say, my area was declared a disaster area.

I applied for FEMA assistance for the repairs my home needs, and a FEMA representative came to my home the next day (I kid you not). This rep was thorough and even asked about things that had nothing to do with the flood (like, my central air unit hasn't worked for ages, but he wanted to know if the flood had damaged it). I was honest with him, but it impressed me that he was concerned enough to ask.

I was initially turned down because of "not enough damage", and it was advised that I contact my insurance company. I had already done this, but, since I don't have flood damage coverage, they had sent me a "letter of denial". I decided not to appeal the decision because I felt beaten down (a lot of things were going on in my life).

Well, I got a call from FEMA the week before last asking me to send my letter of denial to them and they "might be able to help me". I faxed the letter, and four days later they deposited a grant into my bank account to fix the damage.

I can't say enough for FEMA.

FEMA camps? Very, very highly doubtful.

[Remember Me]

13. I just posted on another thread

I myself haven't been really into the chemtrails thing.

But I looked out my window a couple of days ago -- nice, bright, sunny day -- and there they were again. Those "contrails" that don't go away (as contrails do -- always) and are laid down in a lattice or grid formation overhead, and slowly spread and morph into an overcast sky.

YOU tell ME what to think of that.

Contrails don't stay. Contrails don't get laid down in a latticework grid across the whole overhead sky --a few here and there, not a whole sky worth. Contrails don't stay and morph into a cloud covering, or cloud-like covering. CONTRAILS DON'T DO THIS.

This is by far not the first time I've seen this over my local sky. I should have taken a picture.

Again, you tell ME what to think of this. How to explain it away.