recomendations wanted- where to go for serious discussion of 9/11

[left lowrider]

I am not a conspiracy theorist, or a "creative speculator", I am not "off beat" and I don't come here looking for something related to the humor group . . . "creative speculation" implies that someone is "making up" facts . . . but I am interested in critically eximining the facts that we have.

I am an architect and I am interested in history and current politics but have learned that the MSM and government reports aren't always accurate representations of what has happened or is happening. The old September 11 form was clogged with ridiculous posts, but there were some reasonable questions being raised.

Can any of you reccomend other websites where serious discusssion exists about the events of september 11. . . I am not sure I can click through "off beat" and past "humour" on my way to this spot . . . it appears they want people like me to go elsewhere . Where should I go?

[Make7]

1. For technical discussions related to 9/11...

... I find the following one to usually be very interesting:

http://the911forum.freeforums.org/index.php

[RKP5637]

3. Thanks for posting this site, it looks interesting. I've really never understood why WTC7 fell

or the small size of the hole in the Pentagon. In the back of my mind a lot of things don't add up. It just doesn't feel right.

[canetoad]

2. Personally, I'd love to hear what you have to say

Regarding events of 911 and hope you will make some posts in this group from the point of view of a building professional

[left lowrider]

5. why would you imply that I am gullible bolo?

I assume the nigerian officilas comment is that. . . i don't see the correlation between asking about serious discussion of a historic event and your cheap swipe.

that's why resonable people don't post much. I am not really a gullible person and I am pretty sure I have engineered more buildings than you.

[The Doctor.]

6. That's just Bolo,

displaying his 'objectivity'.

[Bolo Boffin]

9. That's just Bolo as an advocate, and I've never said I'm not one.

However, I think my actions as temporary host were scrupulously as objective as I could make them. YMMV, but it's quite possible to be a committed partisan to a position and a committed non-partisan to hosting a group.

[Bolo Boffin]

8. I think everyone should avoid Nigerian officials, Mr. Lowrider.

Gullibility has nothing to do with it.

You are a long-time member of DU, Mr. Lowrider - from 2006. Since you have been here that long, I find it astonishing that you have no idea of a better place to discuss 9/11 Truth issues, considering your interest in it.

[Ghost Dog]

7. Here's the "Architects & Engineers For 9/11 Truth" site:

http://www.ae911truth.org/

[CJCRANE]

10. 911Blogger.com

is pretty good for articles and stuff in the news.

It's quite a serious site, almost mainstream. You can comment there too.

[jakeXT]

11. .

Complete 911 Timeline
Training Exercises on 9/11
http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?day_of_9/11=complete_911_timeline_training_exercises&timeline=complete_911_timeline

Complete 911 Timeline

Open-Content investigative project managed by matt, Paul, KJF, blackmax

This is the home page for the Complete 911 Timeline investigative project, one of several grassroots investigations being hosted on the History Commons website. The data published as part of this investigation has been collected, organized, and published by members of the public who are registered users of this website
http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

maybe you'll find something usefull there
http://www.journalof911studies.com/

[spooked911]

12. this place (DU) is great for discussion, serious and otherwise

if you have questions, you'll usually get some answers! Not really used to this new place yet, but should be ok after a while.

[zappaman]

13. If you are not using the "classic look", I recommend it. n/t

[Remember Me]

14. I haven't looked at it for quite a while

but THE most compelling overall arguments came from your own dawning realizations of what has never been covered and explained when sorting through this:

Complete 9-11 Timeline - http://www.historycommons.org/project.jsp?project=911_project

It is a massive compilation of published reports, all from mainstream or otherwise highly reliable sources, and it's simply incredible. I believe it would make a "believer" out of the most confirmed skeptic who read through it carefully and thoughtuflly.

Now, if you just want to go into the technical details, I don't know how well that site serves, but it is a highly important site.

[melonkali]

15. Important Unanswered Evidential Question

A link to what seems to have been a small but overlooked hard evidential trail even Barney Fife should have followed:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/SakherHammad_WTC_9-11.html

There's still no satisfactory answer to "who signed Sakher Hammad's WTC basement work permit" for a couple of days before 9/11 -- Denko Mechanical, the letterhead on the letter presented to the Memphis Court as Hammad's employer approving the WTC work passes, existed only on paper in NY records, tracing back to the Manhattan Apartment of one Sergei Davidenko.

Hammad, when caught by Memphis police in the drivers license fraud scheme, which resulted in the suspicious arson death of Memphis clerk Katherine Smith the day before she was to testify, had the WTC passes in his wallet, and told the police and two FBI agents (who both later took early retirement and have disappeared) that he was working on the sprinkler systems -- which was denied by the Port Authority of New York who had, as law required, a large 24/7 fire safety and sprinkler system contractor -- no one else was allowed to touch the sprinkler system or even any water lines connected to the sprinkler system. This is well established standard fire safety and sprinkler protocol, with which everyone remotely involved with fire safety, sprinkler systems and building security, is familiar. Hammad's explanation could not possibly have been true.

The Memphis reporter who first broke this story is now in the Washington Press Corps. A prominent Memphis defense attorney who represented one of the defendants in the drivers license fraud case, Mr. Robert Friedman, was found shot through the head in a Memphis parking garage in June of 2002. Everyone involved has disappeared except for the judge and, probably, some of the Memphis police involved (I really don't know). All defendants were released.

Something seems wrong here which has never been cleared up or further investigated, by my information. If anyone can find public records or information that explain this incident, I'd be most grateful to learn about it.

[Richard Charnin]

16. As an architect, you should go here to join 1,643 other architects - and many scientists

You may have already heard of this site:
http://ae911truth.org/


And take a look at the 9/11 Toronto hearings:
http://911blogger.com/news/2011-09-23/10-youtube-videos-911-toronto-hearings

[PufPuf23]

17. A September 2011 Article by Russ Baker - Saudi Royal Ties to 9/11 Hijackers Via Florida Saudi Family

http://whowhatwhy.com/2011/09/22/saudi-royal-ties-to-911-hijackers-via-florida-saudi-family-0/

This article is recent and interesting.