Creative Speculation
Related: About this forumWas the Ukraine airliner shoot down Iran's actual retaliation for Soleimani's assassination.
If an Iranian missile battery took down the airliner, it was either:
1. An accidental/unintentional launch (possible, but I think more unlikely than likely - if true, bummer for those on the plane and the launch officer/trigger dude); or,
2. An intentional launch. If Intentional, it was either a case of
a. Mistaken identity (possible, I think more likely than #1 above, but still more unlikely than likely - if true, bummer for those on the plane and for the software engineer/programmer dude)
b. Action by one or more hard liners in charge of the missile battery, unhappy with the official, measured ICBM response. (possible, and I think more likely than 2.ac. above, and maybe as likely as not - if true, bummer for those on the plane and for the hard liner dudes.
c. Action intended by the Iranian rulers. (possible, but why? If true, bummer for those on the plane)
After due reflection, I'm going with #2.c. above. I think there was someone on that plane who the Iranian's wanted to take out. That the Iranians knew that someone was on that plane. That someone was on their way the hell out-of-Dodge. Perhaps that someone was the American's source that Soleimani was coming into Baghdad airport. Or other important American asset getting out whilst the getting was good.
I am not convinced that the benign no damage/no casualty ICBM launch was sufficient to satisfy the Iranian desire for revenge. It was not proportional or even significant in any meaningful way. I think it was a feint, intended to satisfy their people that a strike back at America had been made, and yet restrained enough to not alienate global opinion. Iran looks "good" to it's people and the rest of the world compared to the assassin IMPOTUS and the evil US devils. But it would not satisfy the Iranian hard liners (their Boltons and Pompeos).
Striking the Ukraine airliner with an important "someone" on board, especially if that someone was an American asset (or even the someone who ratted out Soleimani to the US), would be more proportional to Soleimani's assassination. There is the additional poetic irony if Iran took out that "someone" as the dude was leaving the Tehran airport. US intelligence would certainly know if this were the case, but would not be able to complain or even mention it publicly, for fear of giving credence to that "someone" being an American asset.
Indeed Iranian officials, to make certain that "someone" was on that Ukraine flight, may have floated information to reach that "someone" that the "jig is up", and allowed the "someone" to get on the flight and in the air before launching vengeance.
I'm just not buying that Iran's "true" response was the ICBM's. And I'm not buying the missile strike against the airliner (if that's what it was) would have been accidental, unintentional, or a rogue act by hard liners. The poetic similarity to Soleimani's assassination leaving Baghdad's airport, and an American asset brought down flying out of Tehran, while I admit, creative speculation, is just too seductive a conclusion for me to dismiss.
rampartc
(5,835 posts)oftentimes humans who are unexperienced. they must make decisions to shoot or not very quickly, with the potential of death if they do not shoot and are wrong.
the uss Vincennes, whoever in Donetsk, now this. the best advice I could give an airline is to avoid contested airspace and to make sure everyone knows who you are and your harmless nature and intentions.
WheelWalker
(9,199 posts)I admit, my theory is creative speculation. Maybe I'm way out there on this, but mistaken identity is less likely in my mind than intentionality, all things tangentially in play being considered.
WheelWalker
(9,199 posts)hitting (I believe) airliners in flight at altitude, do they not? Seems less than credible that an Iranian battery mistakes or misidentifies an aircraft within two minutes of takeoff from it's own airport. Seems to me the circumstances are significantly different than the cases you cite. Seems to me, anyway.
2naSalit
(92,452 posts)shit happens, I usually go through a process of elimination where I try to imagine every possible scenario. Even the way out there stuff. But I usually go with my internal meter that seems to guide me well, even when it leans toward the way out there stuff.
Most everything we are witnessing of late leans far into the way out there stuff.
I imagined a possibility of not Iran firing the missile or the whole thing was orchestrated by our favorite puppet master, he was in the region at the time.
To further speculate; could it be that (if) the Speaker does pass the Articles on to the Senate in the next two weeks, it's only another ten days to the STOU, has now seen in new evidence more than enough to force the Senate to act. And perhaps the votes. But I think this may be something because of the actions taken by the Rs show that they cannot be trusted and are involved in the coverup too. That presents a big problem for them if they are accused in the near future. It may cause a major upset in the Senate the likes of which we could only dream upon.
Whatever it is, Ms. Pelosi has the winning hand and I think she and the D Senators are in agreement as to how they will force witness testimony but there's something else that I'm sensing TBD but big coming up. I can't identify it yet but I feel a big WTF that may or may not be positive coming and soon.
WheelWalker
(9,199 posts)of "bizarre in the extreme". I just know that things are not always as they appear, and we should open our minds to look for what has been called Deep Truths - where the opposite of what is true is also true. True knowledge progresses not toward simplifying our answers but toward improving our questioning mechanisms to better address complexity.
2naSalit
(92,452 posts)I get a lot of intuitive info that turns out to be reality later. We have a long, hard year ahead of us and we must prevail or perish as a nation. Simple as that. If we do not succeed, the rest of the planet will also be endangered as far as aerobic life forms.
I hope we win.
WheelWalker
(9,199 posts)Strength and honor.
Dunnjen
(79 posts)But I'd think they'd have been able to get to him /her without the excessive innocent deaths. I thought many of the passengers were Iranian students returning from family time. How could all those upset families be a deliberate side effect?
Captain Zero
(7,491 posts)Maybe link it in this thread...