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Related: About this forumJohn Podesta and UFOs... disinformation agent.
As we know his last tweet when he left the Obama administration and then went to Hillary campaign was
However when he worked for Clinton they produced
a bullshit report that has been debunked on so many levels
The USAF Roswell report
http://www.roswellfiles.com/Articles/AirForceReport.htm
When he was there in Clinton's whitehouse so that should be a red flag on telling the truth.
Now Clinton was just on Kimel TV and was questioned too on UFOs she also said she would 'look into it'' as president.
Too qualify my background on this
The best man at my marriage was deputy director
for the US house of representative Science and Technology during the moon missions.
He told me once when he was drunk on good scotch
that within 5 years we would have anti gravity devices on the consumer level because he had seen things that were beyond top secret.
My Dad worked for the Joint Chiefs in the 60s for the USAF
Anyway...... I would like a discussion on Podesta and Clinton on this issue and why they are even talking about this.......disclosure....
From what I know now we are getting played by
forces you can't even conceive about.
Disclosure will not come from the government.
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)than just a joke about Deese...........
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)I Googled to read the Tweet and every link I saw in search starting with "Finally, my biggest failure in 2014" was attributed to Deese.
The reason I Googled it was because I didn't know how much of your post was an excerpt from the Tweet (I don't do Twitter, so I am clueless about it) and how much of it was you speaking as you.
Nope, not a joke.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)to prove that?
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Outgoing Obama Advisor John Podesta Has UFO Regrets
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/17/john-podesta-regrets-no-ufo-disclosure_n_6699646.html
any google search will prove you are incorrect
WHY WOULD HE DO THAT AND CAN YOU GET BACK ON TOPIC?
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)you're the one who wanted me to furnish links.
Podesta's favorite TV show was The X-Files, or so one article on him stated. Figures. Just because he believes ETs are living among us, or that they've at least visited Earth a time or two, doesn't mean he's right. Let's have some evidence, and I'm not talking about documents and the like. I want to see a bona fide ET.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)I asked what is this about and why?
Can you not see that things are said for a reason on the national stage for a reason?
Think outside the box without your bias for a second if you can.
I don't care if you don't believe or I do
I'm asking why this is being promoted
by Hillary and Podesta on disclosure.
frogmarch
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Bill and Hillary Clinton very much liked the movie Independence Day, but as I recall, they said it was because it showed the people of the world working together to fight off a common enemy. I don't recall either of the Clintons saying they believed ETs are visiting, or have visited Earth. Still, so what if Hillary has said she wants disclosure? If there are secret hidden UFO files, I agree - let's see them.
Oh, by the way, yes, it's true that test dummies weren't in use in 1947, but the Roswell rumors about alien bodies didn't start until something like 1970. To some people like my "Bradeen, th' dog's got the baby agin I tol you to tie it up - no, Bradeen, the baby" neighbor, who will continue to believe an alien craft crashed at Roswell and that alien bodies were removed and that the incident was covered up, facts don't stand a chance. To people like him, all official documents about UFOs are lies. To him, Truth is only what he wants it to be.
EDIT: I meant to include that in the 1950s, alien bodies rumors sprang up from pieced- together accounts of actual airplane crashes in which mangled human bodies were removed from the crashes and incidents involving test crash dummies that often looked way too real all burned and mangled. The human air crash victims/test crash dummies mixture had plenty of time to stew and become the Roswell alien bodies story. There were no crash dummies in 1947 when the Roswell incident reportedly happened, but by the mid-1970s, partly because of rumors or stories begun in the 40s that some of the crash dummies were really aliens!!!! the idea of aliens crashing on Earth was well established. It wouldnt have taken much to come up with rumors of alien bodies being seen at Roswell.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Why would he do that on Podesta''s account?
So you are saying that Podesta's twitter account was highjacked by this guy?
So much for an intelligent conversation.......
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)Scroll down to see the Twitter post...by Deese.
If you still think I'm making it up and that I was joking by asking when Podesta morphed into Deese, I'm not the problem here.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)The article says Podesta did
All that says is Deese repeating what Podesta said.
LOOk at the time stamp on Podesta's tweet and Deese tweet..........LOOk
Now get back to reality.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Answer some questions I addressed.
You seem to be a disinformation and re direction poster
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)WTF?
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)are proof on who said it first.......
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)when Podesta stepped down and Deese filled his place, for some reason at least some of Podesta's tweets ended up on Deese's Twitter.
Since he left the White House, it appears that @podesta44 has morphed into the identity of his successor @Deese44 the handle for White House senior advisor, Brian Deese.
That puts Deese in the unfortunate situation of owning personal tweets from Podestas time in the White House, especially this widely publicized tweet about UFOs:
I don't know if breitbart links are acceptable here, so I won't post the link. I suppose you'll say I made it up. Oh, well.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)and owned up to that tweet
Why would Deese try to destroy him?
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)that Deese had nothing to do with.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Since they are instantaneous when they are posted?
So is Bret bart saying its an obama conspiracy against Clinton's guys?
Now can you even get back to my subject?
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)But you still have not answered anything I directed on my OP.
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)Until a few years ago, I believed in UFOs, and I even posted here in this forum about them. I still like discussing them, but to be convinced nowadays that they're real, I'll need firm evidence.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)but that's not the point even if 90% are shit
which they are.
My point is ... why did this guy say this after
he knows the USAF roswell reports were bullshit
Did you read that they said the bodies that were reported on were
6 foot dummies on a program that happen 5 years later? Never mind the the mongol balloon story.
You know the records have been lost from the government on Roswell? According to the govt and FOIA inquires?
Which is why I find Podesta's stance as questionable.
when he was with Billy when the report came out.
But that is beside the conversation.
It still gets back to why is the Hillary campaign
promoting that they will do disclosure?
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)Maybe you'd like to read this from my personal Save links:
http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/big/0624.html
I Want To Believe, Ichingcarpenter, but I need real evidence.
By the way, when I mention UFOs here, I mean ET UFO's, not simply unidentified flying objects.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)as has his 6 foot dummies the airforce used.
when all witnesses reported child size beings.
Now can you address what I talked about?
frogmarch
(12,223 posts)or say the "alien bodies" at Roswell in 1947 were test dummies, 6 ft. test dummies or otherwise. As we both know, test dummies weren't in use until the 1950s. It was I Want To Believers talking it up that the Air Force said the "bodies" were probably test dummies.
Witnesses? lol
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Which is quite possible. And if so, why?
Perhaps it's some sort of weird blackmail.
He's blackmailing the govt since HRC is an odds on favorite to win the WH.
Or someone is blackmailing him to do this.
Or maybe Podesta sincerely believes in disclosure.
Is it sure that Podesta had anything to do with the Clinton WH Roswell report?
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Both Hillary and Podesta have raised this into the public discourse.
What I've read and studied so far
1.This is a fairly good backstory on the Clintons and UFOs
http://www.express.co.uk/news/weird/650737/What-REALLY-happened-when-Hillary-and-Bill-Clinton-tried-to-open-UFO-truths-21-years-ago
This goes into the Rockefeller connection and the book Hillary was reading back then.
2. At a 2005 speech in Hong Kong, Bill Clinton told about his efforts to look into the phenomenon:
I did attempt to find out if there were any secret government documents that reveal things, and if there were, they were concealed from me, too. I wouldnt be the first president that underlings have lied to or that career bureaucrats have waited out. But there may be some career person sitting around somewhere hiding these dark secrets, even from elected presidents. But, if so, they successfully eluded me, and Im almost embarrassed to tell you I did try to find out.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/john-podesta-hillary-clinton-ufos_us_56d730c9e4b03260bf78f129
3. Podesta, I think may say he's for disclosure but
he's a small player getting played and playing some of the UFO crowd.
As far as the rest or truth?
I'll just say this
The deep State exists and manipulate those
who think they are in control but as Bill said
they won't let him know either
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Certainly it's interesting that they would raise the topic of UFOs since it is a topic typically sneered at or mocked by the MSM.... UFOs are probably fairly popular in the general public but it's not clear that the topic would help get votes, especially given the possible MSM backlash.
All very strange.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)Fastwalker
is a North American Aerospace Defense Command classification for Unidentified Flying Objects which enter or leave the atmosphere at a great velocity and which are sometimes captured on the Defense Support Program satellite system. These objects are generally attributed to man made objects of unknown origins and meteors.[1] Slower anomalous objects are referred to as "Slowwalkers"
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)But I just read about it, I've no direct knowledge...
Jeffersons Ghost
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Only an extraterrestrial would support Donald Trump; and he'll probably offend them soonm. Donald Trump, the current GOP front-runner in election 2016, will select Susana Martinez, the governor of New Mexico, as his vice presidential running mate, assuming Trump wins the Republican nomination.
Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/2739987/meet-donald-trumps-vice-president-pick/#F6FIY528ggDobj2R.99
In a rewrite of this paragraph [combined with code derived from NSA arranged images; BTW, 99 Luft Balloons began playing, after I started writing this reply], I will expose Chinese agents, sent to copy files from my computer, while searching for code.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)and is threatening in an indirect way that he will spill the truth unless HRC wins the WH.
Ichingcarpenter
(36,988 posts)In 1976 presidential candidate Jimmie Carter promised the American people that he would open any government UFO files that might exist. Recall that while governor of Georgia, Carter had a UFO sighting and actually filed a report. After winning election to President, Carter met with CIA Director George H. W. Bush seeking a briefing on the topic. Bush turned him down, claiming that neither as President nor as Commander-in-Chief did he have a "need to know." Once in office Carter turned to NASA for information, directing presidential science advisor Frank Press to ask NASA administrator Robert Frosch to "form a small panel of inquiry" to investigate the UFO situation. This letter and other correspondence may be found in "UFOs and NASA" (Journal of Scientific Exploration, pp. 93--142, 1988). Nothing at all came of this as recounted by Richard C. Henry -- then a young astrophysicist (now a prominent Johns Hopkins professor) working as a deputy to the director of what was the Astrophysics Division at NASA headquarters -- on whose desk this "hot potato" request landed. For five months NASA went through some amusing twists and turns, recounted by Henry, before politely declining.
Discounting the NASA farce, and assuming that any possible UFO program would exist as a Special Access Program in the Department of Defense, on what legal basis would the President and Commander-in-Chief be denied access?
It is likely that the UFO topic is actually classified by one or more laws duly enacted by Congress in the late 1940s concerning national security -- but without any overt reference to UFOs of course -- and signed by President Truman. Only a handful of members of Congress, if any at all, would have known that more than Cold War issues were involved in this far-reaching national security legislation enacted at a time of near panic over a Soviet nuclear threat. There are at least two bins into which the UFO topic could have been placed such that a future President could not unilaterally release it (legally) or, in fact, maybe even know about it. One bin is the category of Restricted Data (RD) established by the Atomic Energy Act in 1946 and pertains to Special Nuclear Material (SNM); another bin would be what has since evolved into the Waived Special Access Program system set up under the authority of the National Security Council which traces back to the National Security Act signed by Truman in 1947 (interestingly only a couple of weeks after the Roswell episode).
That means that even if an incoming President asked someone who knew about the existence of such a program, that individual would be required by law to not only not tell the President, but also to actively mislead him, if necessary. (Such a policy is actually spelled out in controversial documents that researchers Ryan and Robert Wood obtained and traced back to CIA Director Allen Dulles in the 1950s. The source of these documents is unclear.) If a president today tried the same thing without the appropriate clearances (which he could not give to himself) he would likewise be told (legitimately) that there was nothing disclosable. If this hypothesis is correct, then UFO information would be "Born Secret" by the Atomic Energy Act, and not releasable to anyone without at least an AEC "Q" clearance (and likely higher, R or above), plus a legitimate need to use it in his/her job. By law, all RD is "owned" by the AEC Commissioner at its inception. The AEC clearance standards are somewhat different than executive branch standards. In order to grant a Q or higher clearance, the Commissioner must find that the applicant is of "good moral character," among other things. Thus, if the Commissioner didn't like Richard Nixon's burglary at the Watergate Hotel, or Bill Clinton's dalliances, the Commissioner could withhold access to RD even on those grounds.
A new President who wants to know what the government knows about UFOs would have to be persistent, clever, and informed before beginning the quest, as Clinton's failed attempt via Associate Attorney General Webster Hubble attests. Simply issuing a presidential executive order declassifying the topic might yield the mistaken conclusion that there is no such material. The first step would be to determine under exactly what legal jurisdiction the matter is classified. This could best be accomplished by a small dedicated research team reporting directly and personally to the President with at least high enough clearances to be able to read all classified Presidential Decision Memoranda and the classified appendices to the Atomic Energy Act and the National Security Act.
http://www.ufoskeptic.org/president.html
Dolan earlier writing on Disclosure
. Disclosure is a pandoras box with a panoply of taboo topics just waiting to spring out. It is, as one friend of mine calls it, a sloppy tar-baby, a threatening, friendly, frightening, and inseparable bundle of unavoidable eventualities.
So I can imagine a few questions, even from a media as compliant as the American. Mr. President, one correspondent might say, what are the intentions of these aliens? Or, Mr. President, what does this say about the claims of alien abduction? Are they real, after all? Or how about, Mr. President, what about claims of underground alien bases? Or claims of secret possession of alien technology?
These questions might not arise immediately. But they would arise eventually. Once you open that lid, it will be very difficult to control the outcome. The answers would not be pretty.
For this reason, I doubt that disclosure will come from Americas political establishment. But there are always other countries. There are always the aliens. The truth is already here; its simply waiting to land.
After all, what exactly are the secret keepers protecting? Lets see. Power, wealth, control, their plans for the future, access to information, underground bases already built, the status quo.
But there must be more. How about communication with aliens? Worm hole technology? Access to our genetic code? Or any number of technologies that we have not even begun to discuss openly in our society. Remember the statement of an Area 51 insider to aerospace journalist James Goodall this was back in the 1980s we have things in the Nevada desert that would make George Lucas envious. In other words, Star Wars technology.
Can you imagine the front page of the New York Times following a true disclosure of all this? MASSIVE COVERUP EXPOSED. The biggest journalistic fiasco in history would finally be acknowledged, wholesale resignations would sweep the intelligence community, a political third party would do a clean sweep of Washington. Congress would promise emergency hearings, Arab oil nations would be in a state of collapse as oil price futures plummet, and the stock market would be in a headlong tailspin.
People would realize that a massive power structure has existed for generations, and has siphoned away trillions of dollars. They would learn that it has played a dominant, though unacknowledged, role in shaping their lives.
Think about NASA and the space shuttle program. There are no shortage of quiet discussions about the antiquated nature of NASAs shuttle technology. Astronauts have died because better technology was denied to them. And that is merely the tip of the iceberg, for this issue goes far beyond NASA.
No, people wouldnt be pleased or especially understanding. Heads would roll.
The American system of government, as it has come to exist, and by extension American society, and by extension our current global civilization, is not compatible with true UFO disclosure. Disclosure would rip it all away.
You might argue that this would be a good reason to maintain the secrecy. On the other hand, I would argue its the best reason for disclosure.
http://www.richarddolanpress.com/#!ufo-secrecy-and-the-death-of-american/c1pce
So as far as Podesta and Hillary claim on disclosure goes, its a hype, a Window Dressing for her false openness, hell just release her banking transcripts which she won't do but she will release all the UFO stuff? Are we really buying this spill? I'm not.
Besides 66% of the DOD today are private contractors which legally don't have to reveal anything, anyway to anyone so if there is a UFO connection, and evidence points there is with internal government memos from the 50s, 60s, 70s and very early 80s, acquired through FOIA shows a forensic pattern of government awareness of this unexplained phenomenal and their concern about it. Hillary nor any president can access the deep vault even if they wanted to and naive for anyone to buy the story that they could.
So the question is.......... what is really going on?
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)the only real conclusion is that there is some very deep stuff being hidden from us, and probably some very disturbing truths about humanity and the future of our planet.
Meanwhile, the vast majority of people just don't give a shit or poo-poo the very clear evidence of all this.
Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)Fast Walker 52
(7,723 posts)and makes a good point: her claim of wanting UFO disclosure but only if it doesn't harm national security is pretty much meaningless, since by definition, admitting UFOs/aliens are real will violate national security.