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moniss

(5,036 posts)
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 03:57 AM Sep 6

Inside the Movement to Settle Southern Lebanon

This is the title to an article from 8/19/24 in the magazine "Jewish Currents" which describes itself as being on the Israeli Left. It details the recent sharp rise in membership of a recently founded group named "Uri Tzafon" that proposes to act on long held beliefs of the far right that the cleansing of the Golan Heights while establishing settlements and leading to an annexation is the example to follow for Southern Lebanon.

While always considered a remote possibility, if at all, the group does have involvement and support from some heavyweights on the right and in the highly organized support apparatus that functions with the settler movement in the West Bank. Perhaps the most telling aspect about this group is their embrace of ethnic cleansing. It seems to be openly embraced. They in fact openly call the West Bank settlers approach and success to be less than strong since it leaves a large Palestinian population there. They reference the cleansing in the Golan and the elimination of the many Syrian villages as key to "peace".

It should be noted also that within the troubling quotes from leaders in the organization and the heavyweights are references to international response in stopping them. They openly mock the international community/UN response since literally 1948. The quote from a lawyer, Doron Nir Zvi, who helps West Bank settlers with legal filings for land takeovers is " as Nir Zvi pointed out at Uri Tzafon’s June conference, after Israel conquered the Galilee in 1948 or expanded its territory fourfold in 1967, “it’s not that it went smoothly at the UN.” However, he said, ultimately “the dogs barked, and then things moved on”—a history which teaches their movement not to “attribute too much importance to the legal aspect” as “it’s pretty much nonsense.” They have little to fear beyond words if history is a guide.

While many still feel this idea of action in southern Lebanon is not likely, most still caution that it is not new and a full paragraph of the article is most succinct: "In making such seemingly-premature plans, Uri Tzafon is betting on the idea that the rising tide of settler power will lift their boat as well, and experts say the gamble may pay off. According to Asher Kaufman, a scholar of Israel’s relationship with Lebanon, following the First Lebanon War in the 1980s, there were prominent figures pushing Israel to settle in southern Lebanon, but “back then, the settler movement had little capacity to shape politics. Now they are the masters of the land, shaping government policy large and small.” In 1982, when the idea of settlements in Lebanon was first raised, there were only about 21,000 Israelis living beyond the 1948 boundaries; today there are over 700,000 and counting. This growth, as well as in the newly ascendant movement to resettle Gaza, gives Uri Tzafon leaders a window of opportunity. As Socol told me, “since we started the movement and started to act, we’re increasingly seeing that together with talk of settlements in Gaza, settlements in Lebanon are also mentioned, even if as an aside. I think it’s tremendous growth.” Nir Zvi agreed, adding that “after October 7th, everyone understands that we have to push the enemy away and occupy his land, taking it away from him. And this means that conquering both Gaza, and Lebanon, is now possible.”

Given that Avigdor Lieberman has said "everything between the Litani [River] and Israel must be under the control of the IDF." and that Smotrich and others are openly promoting very aggressive policies it is not unreasonable to say the aims of this group may well be put forth more aggressively in the future. As a historian of the settler movement, Akiva Eldar is quoted in the article: “That’s how the settlement movement started,” said Israeli settlement historian Akiva Eldar. “They planted seeds, which grew into trees, which grew into a jungle.”

The world has been trying to grapple with navigating and/or removing that jungle for many decades now and the growth of that jungle looks to be gaining rather than receding. The barking dog hasn't bothered the trees.

https://jewishcurrents.org/inside-the-movement-to-settle-southern-lebanon-uri-tzafon-israel

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Inside the Movement to Settle Southern Lebanon (Original Post) moniss Sep 6 OP
Ive never heard of Jewish Currents Israeli Sep 6 #1
Although US based moniss Sep 6 #2
You are welcome Israeli Sep 8 #3

Israeli

(4,249 posts)
1. Ive never heard of Jewish Currents
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 04:41 AM
Sep 6

before , maybe they are American ??

Ive heard of Maya Rosen tho ,

here is a link : https://www.972mag.com/watch-a-new-brand-of-jewish-nonviolence-in-palestine/

For many of the CJNV members with whom +972 spoke, that strategy is inextricably linked to personal Jewish identity. “My activism comes from a sense that there’s a strong [Jewish] imperative and obligation to treat other people well, that there are specific ways in which we have to treat the other people with whom we live — I think it’s very clear in the Torah,” explained CJNV member and Princeton student Maya Rosen. “The way that our traditions and texts have been co-opted by a specific political agenda makes me very angry. Creating separate legal systems seems to be very much against what the Torah would command.”


She also wrote this article together with other Israeli Leftists :

https://www.972mag.com/explainer-masafer-yatta-firing-zone-918/

moniss

(5,036 posts)
2. Although US based
Fri Sep 6, 2024, 05:27 AM
Sep 6

it seems to float along a typical "left" line and it does, from what I have seen, contribute a good amount of space to Jewish concerns in the US. It's not so much the general lean of a publication that usually gains my attention but more an article by article sort of thing. If I see an article, like this one, that brings up an interesting development or story that I haven't seen in the usual "non-US" media, like the Guardian, Le Monde, The Independent UK, The Irish Times, Haaretz, The Israeli Times, Al Arabiya, Al Jazeera etc., then I'll maybe dig into it for a read of what the factual points are. I keep in mind that sometimes there may be descriptive wording in an article that I disagree with or would feel might be offensive but long ago I found that I could be like most people and I can look at that for what it is and not let it deter from finding previously unknown developments and some facts around them to be of value in furthering my knowledge of things going on.

Thank you for the additional references and they add to my knowledge.

Israeli

(4,249 posts)
3. You are welcome
Sun Sep 8, 2024, 05:21 AM
Sep 8

There are many Israeli Left wing web sites that can add to your knowledge, today most are in
Hebrew, Arabic and English ..... :

Peace Now @ https://peacenow.org.il/en
Gush Shalom @ http://zope.gush-shalom.org/index_en.html
The Parents Circle @ https://www.theparentscircle.org/en/homepage-en/
Ir Amim @ https://www.ir-amim.org.il/en
Breaking The Silence @ https://www.breakingthesilence.org.il/
Machsomwatch @ https://www.machsomwatch.org/en/node/51914
Yesh Din @ https://www.yesh-din.org/en/about-us/
New Israel Fund @ https://www.nif.org/
Rabbis for Human Rights @ https://www.rhr.org.il/eng

this one is American :
Partners For Progressive Peace @ https://www.progressiveisrael.org/

Ive probably forgotten a few .


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