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KUDOS to Rep Jayapal saying that challenging misdeeds by the Israeli government isn't antisemitic. (Original Post) egbertowillies Nov 2023 OP
But maybe characterizing the deeds as "evil" is what is antisemitic. marybourg Nov 2023 #1
I caught that too. madaboutharry Nov 2023 #2
I'd categorize what Hamas did on 10/7 as evil, no ? TeamProg Nov 2023 #4
I'll raise you the 11000+ and a few hospitals. The_Casual_Observer Nov 2023 #6
And if the Representative publicly characterized it as evil, I would not marybourg Nov 2023 #9
Oh for crying out loud. TeamProg Nov 2023 #3
Deeds can indeed be evil IronLionZion Nov 2023 #5
Yes, they can be. And they can also not be. marybourg Nov 2023 #7
I think their actions are evil. Goddessartist Nov 2023 #13
I think Israel, like the US and every marybourg Nov 2023 #16
It seems Goddessartist Nov 2023 #17
+1 Chautauquas Nov 2023 #20
murders by West Bank settlers would probably qualify stopdiggin Nov 2023 #8
Fair - she is right Lithos Nov 2023 #10
What the fuck ever. Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #11
I wish she would challenge misdeeds. Not misdeeds by Israel. Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #12
People challenge government misdeeds all the time IronLionZion Nov 2023 #15
Why should the Gaza government get a pass on their misdeeds? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #18
Gaza government is Hamas. Nobody is giving Hamas a pass on anything IronLionZion Nov 2023 #19
She is spot on the money RainWalker Nov 2023 #14

madaboutharry

(41,303 posts)
2. I caught that too.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 10:28 PM
Nov 2023

It’s all about framing the narrative. Evil is a powerful word. And it has been used to describe Jews for centuries.

marybourg

(13,171 posts)
9. And if the Representative publicly characterized it as evil, I would not
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 11:10 PM
Nov 2023

charge her with Islamophobia.

IronLionZion

(46,926 posts)
5. Deeds can indeed be evil
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 10:41 PM
Nov 2023

A person shouldn't get a pass on evil deeds. There are far right members of Netanyahu's cabinet and the Knesset who are absolutely promoting hate and inciting violence. We don't like that when it's Trump's people doing that here in the US.

marybourg

(13,171 posts)
16. I think Israel, like the US and every
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 11:15 AM
Nov 2023

other nation, has the right and duty to destroy an enemy sworn to its destruction. It is not limited to killing only as many as the enemy killed; it is entitled to try to wipe out any ongoing enemy.

If that enemy hides among the civilian population it pretends to be championing, in its homes, schools and mosques, it is the evil force and Israel does not thereby lose its right to preserve its existence. To single Israel out, among all the nations, as being evil for fighting for its very existence is anti- semitic, in my opinion.

Goddessartist

(2,067 posts)
17. It seems
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 12:20 PM
Nov 2023

Any criticism of Israel is anti semitic to you.

Israel does not have the right to wipe out an entire people.

Their actions are evil like Russia's actions are evil.

Israel is committing genocide.

Supporting bombing hospitals and schools and refugee camps are war crimes.

My Jewish mil agrees with me as does her entire family.

stopdiggin

(12,752 posts)
8. murders by West Bank settlers would probably qualify
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 11:09 PM
Nov 2023

as 'evil deeds'. (not a lot of prosecutions going on there - that we know of) The theft of Palestinian land (via illegal settlement) would be considered - at the very least criminal, in most civilized countries - if not perhaps outright evil. I'm not sure if I'm going to get hung up on that particular word. So, in the larger context ...

No, criticizing Israel for its 'misdeeds' is not antisemitism - and further, it never has been. On the other hand, we have seen plenty of outright and abject antisemitism (from numerous sources) over the past month or so. And we don't have any trouble identifying THAT either ..

IronLionZion

(46,926 posts)
15. People challenge government misdeeds all the time
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 10:49 AM
Nov 2023

why should Israeli government get a pass on their misdeeds?

Beastly Boy

(11,090 posts)
18. Why should the Gaza government get a pass on their misdeeds?
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 02:42 PM
Nov 2023

That's essentially what Pramila is doping.

IronLionZion

(46,926 posts)
19. Gaza government is Hamas. Nobody is giving Hamas a pass on anything
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 02:50 PM
Nov 2023

The people dying, being wounded, losing their homes, being evicted from hospitals during the bombings don't look like Hamas. Looks like a lot of civilians and children. If they were Hamas being killed, the Israeli government would show the photos to the world as proof.

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