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Eugene

(62,627 posts)
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 05:32 PM Nov 2023

Israeli airstrikes kill 80 in Palestinian refugee camp

Source: The Observer

Israeli airstrikes kill 80 in Palestinian refugee camp

Fears mount for Gaza refugees as nowhere is deemed safe for civilians in effort to destroy Hamas

Emma Graham-Harrison
Sat 18 Nov 2023 19.41 GMT
Last modified on Sat 18 Nov 2023 21.34 GMT

Airstrikes on crowded UN shelters in north Gaza’s Jabalia refugee camp killed more than 80 people on Saturday, as Israeli plans to expand operations into south Gaza deepened fears for hundreds of thousands of civilians who have sought refuge there.

Underlining the reminder that there is nowhere safe for Gaza’s civilians, an airstrike outside the southern town of Khan Younis killed at least 26 people in the early hours of Saturday morning.

North Gaza’s biggest hospital, al-Shifa, emptied of all but 120 of the most vulnerable patients and five doctors to care for them. As bombs continued to fall, the area had only basic medical resources for new victims.

At least 50 people were killed in a dawn attack on a UN-run school in the Jabalia camp, and a strike on another building there killed 32 members of a single family – 19 of them children – officials from the Hamas-run health ministry told AFP.

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Read more: https://archive.li/N3yb8

Original Guardian link (registration required): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/nov/18/israeli-airstrikes-kill-80-in-palestinian-refugee-camp

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Related: At least 50 killed in Israeli airstrikes on al-Fakhoora school in Gaza's Jabalia refugee camp (WION)

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Israeli airstrikes kill 80 in Palestinian refugee camp (Original Post) Eugene Nov 2023 OP
;-( elleng Nov 2023 #1
Why is anyone still posting TexasDem69 Nov 2023 #2
Sickening malaise Nov 2023 #3
None of these posts ever indicate how many Tomconroy Nov 2023 #4
According to WION, the strike hit a school-turned-shelter. Eugene Nov 2023 #5
A school is a building. If the building houses Tomconroy Nov 2023 #6
Just because the IDF bombed it doesn't make it a legitimate target. Eugene Nov 2023 #7
Contrary to the nonsense that gets regularly spewed Tomconroy Nov 2023 #8
Is there a specific child- to- terrorist ratio you are cool with ExciteBike66 Nov 2023 #9
If 'anything goes' in gaza there would be a hell of a Tomconroy Nov 2023 #10
Here's another report about the school. Eugene Nov 2023 #11
You cannot say this is a war crime unless you know Tomconroy Nov 2023 #12
 

TexasDem69

(2,317 posts)
2. Why is anyone still posting
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 06:10 PM
Nov 2023

Statements from Hamas like they are reputable? Fox is way, way more reputable. Stop posting this propaganda from a group whose stated goal is the elimination of all Israelis.

Eugene

(62,627 posts)
5. According to WION, the strike hit a school-turned-shelter.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 06:54 PM
Nov 2023

That's a civilian target. I'll await the IDF's justification for bombing it.

At least 50 killed in Israeli airstrikes on al-Fakhoora school in Gaza's Jabalia refugee camp

At least 50 were killed in Israeli airstrikes on the al-Fakhoora School, operated by the United Nations Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA), in the Jabalia refugee camp in northern Gaza on Saturday (Nov 18).

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As the Israel-Hamas war continues, UN-run schools in the refugee camps have become a place of shelter for many escaping the relentless humanitarian crisis. Hundreds of individuals are seeking shelter at these places while Israel entered offensive mode to eliminate the Hamas Islamist group.


https://www.wionews.com/world/at-least-50-killed-in-israeli-airstrikes-on-al-fakhoora-school-in-gazas-jabalia-refugee-camp-660179

Eugene

(62,627 posts)
7. Just because the IDF bombed it doesn't make it a legitimate target.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 07:16 PM
Nov 2023

It does not establish that Hamas fighters controlled that building or were even present there.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
8. Contrary to the nonsense that gets regularly spewed
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 07:25 PM
Nov 2023

Here, the IDF is a military well versed in the laws of war. Much of that military was in the lead in opposition to Netanyahu for the past year. Their officers were not turned into genocidal robots overnight. If the IDF bombed a specific building, it was because they had intelligence that the building was a legitimate target.
The claims about genocide that get posted here are nonsense.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
10. If 'anything goes' in gaza there would be a hell of a
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 07:42 PM
Nov 2023

lot more than 12000 dead.
I defer to the IDF's judgment. I have no idea how many dead children. I don't even know what the definition of 'child' is in this context. Anyone under 18? In my personal experience teenagers are more than capable of firing a gun.

Eugene

(62,627 posts)
11. Here's another report about the school.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 08:10 PM
Nov 2023
Video shows dozens of bodies after alleged attack at UN-run school in Gaza

(CNN) — A school run by the United Nations in northern Gaza has been hit with apparently devastating impact, the UN confirmed Saturday, in what a top UN official described as a “horrifying” incident.

Video from al-Fakhoura School in Jabalya – which was being used as a shelter for displaced people – shows bloodied bodies across a series of rooms on two floors of the two-story building. Many women and children are among the dead.


https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/18/world/gaza-school-strike-video/index.html

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Countries sworn to uphold the laws of war still can kill non-combatants and even commit war crimes,
including the United States.

 

Tomconroy

(7,611 posts)
12. You cannot say this is a war crime unless you know
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 08:31 PM
Nov 2023

The specific intelligence the IDF was acting on and the specific intent of the officers making the decisions.
And even if a mistake was made or the judgement was wrong doesn't mean it's a war crime.

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