Behind Hamas's Bloody Gambit to Create a 'Permanent' State of War

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Behind Hamas’s Bloody Gambit to Create a ‘Permanent’ State of War

Hamas leaders say they waged their Oct. 7 attack on Israel because they believed the Palestinian cause was slipping away, and that only violence could revive it.

By Ben Hubbard and Maria Abi-Habib
Nov. 8, 2023
Updated 2:30 p.m. ET

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/11/08/world/middleeast/hamas-israel-gaza-war.html?campaign_id=190&emc=edit_ufn_20231108&instance_id=107265&nl=from-the-times&regi_id=68002513&segment_id=149549&te=1&user_id=c60005d1aada1b52d32fa3f88d5f9e9f

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Thousands have been killed in Gaza, with entire families wiped out. Israeli airstrikes have reduced Palestinian neighborhoods to expanses of rubble, while doctors treat screaming children in darkened hospitals with no anesthesia. Across the Middle East, fear has spread over the possible outbreak of a broader regional war.

But in the bloody arithmetic of Hamas’s leaders, the carnage is not the regrettable outcome of a big miscalculation. Quite the opposite, they say: It is the necessary cost of a great accomplishment — the shattering of the status quo and the opening of a new, more volatile chapter in their fight against Israel.

It was necessary to “change the entire equation and not just have a clash,” Khalil al-Hayya, a member of Hamas’s top leadership body, told The New York Times in Doha, Qatar. “We succeeded in putting the Palestinian issue back on the table, and now no one in the region is experiencing calm.”

Since the shocking Hamas attack on Oct. 7, in which Israel says about 1,400 people were killed — most of them civilians — and more than 240 others dragged back to Gaza as captives, the group’s leaders have praised the operation, with some hoping it will set off a sustained conflict that ends any pretense of coexistence among Israel, Gaza and the countries around them.

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[OAITW r.2.0]

1. At some point, I hope Gazans and Israel collaborate to root out the Hamas.

Then create a true 2 state solution that lets the people of Palestine and Israel live in peace. Hopefully that includes a mutual security component that keeps them both safe.

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2. Yes. That is the only hope.

[Igel]

3. Haven't seen this version.

Read something very, very similar a day or two after 10/7. Maybe even the evening of 10/7.

(But if you want what sounds like a decent analysis of Putin and its Russia, I might suggest "Riding the Tiger: Vladimir Putin's Russia and the Uses of War". Haven't read it, but it's on my want list. The excepts I've read drip both frontal-cortex and gut-level "yeah, that's nailed it.&quot

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4. I believe Russia is behind it all.