PLO will revoke Israel recognition if US moves embassy, top official warns

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The sole benefit to Trump winning, in this region, is full clarity as to where the Israelis, and where the US government, really stand when the chips are down.

http://www.timesofisrael.com/plo-will-revoke-israel-recognition-if-us-moves-embassy-top-official-warns/

If the incoming Trump administration moves the US embassy to Jerusalem, the PLO will revoke its recognition of Israel, the prospect of a two-state solution will be over, and any hope of Israeli-Palestinian peace in the future will vanish, the top Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat warned on Monday.

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Erekat said he would immediately resign as the chief Palestinian negotiator, and that “the PLO will revoke its recognition of Israel” as well as all previously signed agreements with Israel.

Furthermore, said Erekat, all American embassies in the Arab world would be forced to close — not necessarily because Arab leaderships would want to close them, but because the infuriated public in the Arab world would not “allow” for the embassies to continue to operate.
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Explaining why he would immediately quit as Palestinian negotiator, Erekat said he would not want to “fool my people” that there were any prospects of peace, and that moving the embassy would mean that all those, like himself, who had believed in the possibility of a two-state solution had been wrong.

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Also in the call — which was moderated by the Wilson Center’s vice president Aaron David Miller and with a second speaker, The Times of Israel’s editor David Horovitz — Erekat noted that he held meetings last week in Washington with State Department officials, but failed to secure meetings he had sought with incoming Trump administration officials. “I don’t know any of them,” he said of Trump’s personnel.

Ripping off the bandage time. From there, the discussion turns to whether the path forward is (a) a binational state, (b) apartheid then a binational state, or (c) genocide.

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1. So you agree with the PA's blackmail? They're threatening attacks....

....on US Embassies as well as tearing up Oslo.

And for what? Putting a US Embassy in West Jerusalem which would never become part of Palestine?

You support that bullshit?

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2. Erekat should quit.

He's lost all perspective, we are talking about a single building in West J'lem,

How does moving the embassy end the peace process anyway? Seems like Erekat just admitted that they have been bullshitting from the beginning, dividing J'lem has been the idea from before Oslo.

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3. The Trump administration hates Muslims and thinks liberal Jews are worse than Nazis collaborators

You expect Bibi to get caught being to the left of the US President, with his coalition partners demanding explicit apartheid?

That is politically impossible to maintain--
Trump administration is refusing to even meet with the Palestinians--whom they do not view as human beings.

Your opinion that Erekat should quit doesn't go far enough. The Palestinian Authority should be dissolved and Oslo declared null and void. Suspend all security cooperation between Israel and the Palestinians, and force the IDF to provide security, with the Israeli taxpayers on the hook for providing for the needs of the occupied people.

On January 20th, the one-state solution process begins. And that beginning involves recognizing there's nothing to talk about.

Time for rightwing Israelis and their enablers in the USA to learn that their actions too have a price tag.

the Trump administration has already signaled that liberals in the USA will have to choose between adopting a rightwing ideology or being supportive of Israel.

[shira]

4. Yes, pressuring the PA to make peace is bad. We get it. n/t

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5. What is wrong with

moving the embassy to the western part of Jerusalem. Where the seat of Israeli government is at? Is is also well within the 'green line' of the 1949 armistice lines, which means even if Israel were to pull out of the entire West Bank, it still would be part of Israel.

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6. In a vacuum nothing really nt

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7. what about

not in a vacuum?

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8. Binational state or genocide?

It is frightening that an ostensible progressive person believes those to be the only options.

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9. Being progressive doesn't mean one is bound by false hope nt

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10. Thinking that a binational state is possible is false hope

Thinking the only alternative to it is genocide is ridiculous.

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11. Multinational state happened in South Africa

Certainly more plausible than Trump and his merry duo of Kahanists Greenblatt and Friedman preserving the possibility of the two-state solution.

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12. Things are very bad in South Africa

Certainly no one would hold that country up as any kind of a model.

A multi-national state is not going to happen. The parties themselves do not want it; they seek separation in the form of two independent states. Also, the international community overwhelmingly rejects the one state option and supports two states based on negotiations between the Israelis and the Palestinians, as the recent UNSC resolution demonstrates.

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13. The Israelis are not seeking separation.

The settlements project is designed to prevent separation.

I suspect we'll see the same arc as SA, first apartheid and then a multiethnic state.


That scenario certainly carries some risks for the Israelis, but that's their problem, a problem they chose for themselves.

In a way, Trump is a dash of reality. The USA is not going to save Israel for itself. We are its enabler, not its friend.

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14. How so?

Multi-racial, yes, but multi-national? And as has already been stated, they have their problems.

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15. Zulus, etc nt