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shira

(30,109 posts)
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:09 PM Aug 2016

PM (Netanyahu): 'I care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do'



Cue Hamas supporters defending the stealing of millions of dollars in humanitarian aid for terror purposes.

Benjamin Netanyahu has released a new video in which he accuses Hamas of denying humanitarian aid to Palestinians, referring to the recent reports of humanitarian aid organizations diverting funds to Hamas, rather than providing actual humanitarian aid as Israel does; 'The Palestinian people deserve better.'



...The prime minister does qualify that statement by first stating that it was "something…that some of you will not believe." He addresses the recent revelations that humanitarian aid organization employees were transferring funds to Hamas, "the terrorist organization that rules Gaza."

He says, "A few days ago, the world learned that Hamas, the terrorist organization that rules Gaza, stole millions of dollars from humanitarian organizations like World Vision and the United Nations." Netanyahu is referring to two separate, yet related affairs. The first was that the international Christian non-profit organization World Vision's Gaza Strip director, Mohammed el-Halabi, confessed to siphoning about $7.2 million a year in humanitarian funds to Hamas over five years. This was reported by the Shin Bet.

The second revelation concerned the construction of a marina built by Hamas's military wing in the northern Gaza Strip that was financed with funds siphoned from the United Nations Development Agency (UNDP). According to an indictment filed against 38-year-old engineer Waheed Borsh from Jabalia (north of Gaza City), the Gazan funneled aid money from UNDP to the construction of the marina, which Hamas naval commandos intended to use for future operations and training.

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http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4840567,00.html

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PM (Netanyahu): 'I care more about Palestinians than their own leaders do' (Original Post) shira Aug 2016 OP
Reminds me of a KKK candidate SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #1
And...nothing about Hamas stealing millions in humanitarian aid. shira Aug 2016 #2
No, I'll stick with my analogy SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #3
Of course you will. No one within the Dem. party equates Israel w/ Apartheid Africa. shira Aug 2016 #4
I support Israel and the people of Israel SCantiGOP Aug 2016 #5
Still a bad analogy. Native Americans have been almost completely obliterated... shira Aug 2016 #6
So you can't even bring yourself leftynyc Sep 2016 #19
Not when they can deflect leftynyc Sep 2016 #18
Netanyahu would be a bit more believable it the allegations were proven or even plausible. Little Tich Aug 2016 #7
From World Vision's annual review, in 2012-13 it was a combined $23 million.... shira Aug 2016 #8
If I could put a bet at Ladbrokes on World Vision vs Israel, Little Tich Aug 2016 #9
Remember when you questioned UNRWA incitement on Facebook? shira Aug 2016 #10
Of course I remember - I was dubious about the source (UN Watch?) reporting the incitement. Little Tich Aug 2016 #11
Yeah, you were wrong about that and BtS, which has lost most of the Israeli Left shira Aug 2016 #13
I promise I won't rub it in your face when the truth comes out... n/t Little Tich Aug 2016 #14
And when the truth comes out and you're wrong, what then? shira Aug 2016 #15
You brought up Amira Hass. She refuses to condemn terrorist murderers.... shira Sep 2016 #16
I posted her article because it was a good collection of information from other sources. n/t Little Tich Sep 2016 #17
UN says Gaza employee diverted rubble on PA instructions Little Tich Aug 2016 #12

SCantiGOP

(14,203 posts)
1. Reminds me of a KKK candidate
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:46 PM
Aug 2016

J B Stoner, ran for Gov of GA in the early 60s. Before each of his commercials the station would post a message that the FCC did not allow them to censor political ads. He would then sit in front of Confederate flags and throw around the N word.
I remember him saying he cared more about blacks that LBJ did because he wasn't going to force them out of the second class citizenship that they were content with.
A priest in church one Sunday said he would never tell people how to vote, unless they were going to vote for that "evil brainless fool who is running ads for Governor."

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
2. And...nothing about Hamas stealing millions in humanitarian aid.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 04:53 PM
Aug 2016

Considering Hamas calls for the genocide of every Jewish person, they're the ones you should be comparing to the KKK.

SCantiGOP

(14,203 posts)
3. No, I'll stick with my analogy
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 05:04 PM
Aug 2016

Although a more accurate one would be to compare the current situation to South Africa under apartheid rather instead of the KKK.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
4. Of course you will. No one within the Dem. party equates Israel w/ Apartheid Africa.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 05:16 PM
Aug 2016

Nice job though of deflecting from Hamas stealing millions in humanitarian aid from Gazans who need it most. So very pro-Palestinian, but that's what I've come to expect from BDS'ers. Not at all supportive of Palestinians, just Israel haters.

SCantiGOP

(14,203 posts)
5. I support Israel and the people of Israel
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 06:18 PM
Aug 2016

I do not support racism or the brutal
suppression of any people. Perhaps the treatment of Native Americans would be a closer analogy for what is being done to the Palestinian people, but South African apartheid also has a striking resemblance to the policies of the current right-wing government in Israel.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
6. Still a bad analogy. Native Americans have been almost completely obliterated...
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 06:41 PM
Aug 2016

Their numbers are now miniscule. What happened to Jews in Arab nations after 1948, going from 900,000 to maybe a couple thousand today is a better analogy, but still one I wouldn't make due to those Jews and their descendants still being alive.

Meanwhile, the Palestinian population grows exponentially at a rate at least as fast as Israelis.

And Arabs within Israel have equal rights. Arabs outside of Israel are not citizens. No comparison to either S.Africa or the native Americans.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
19. So you can't even bring yourself
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:53 AM
Sep 2016

to denounce hamas - a terrorist organization - for stealing from those who voted them into power. With all due respect, that's fucking pathetic.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
18. Not when they can deflect
Tue Sep 13, 2016, 06:52 AM
Sep 2016

from your very well made and obvious point. If all the problems can't be laid at Israel's feet, they're not interested. It's pathetic.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
7. Netanyahu would be a bit more believable it the allegations were proven or even plausible.
Fri Aug 12, 2016, 10:19 PM
Aug 2016

It's rare for a leader of a country to forego criminal proceedings and assign guilt before the courts do, but hey - Palestinians are always guilty, right?

It seems as if World Vision has checked and double checked their records and their reaction to the allegations seems to be an incredulous WTF? And it seems as if the UNDP had a similar reaction:

Statement from Kevin Jenkins, President of World Vision International
Source: World Vision, AUGUST 9, 2016
(snip)

We will examine all the evidence behind the charges, and from those who independently examine our accountability standards. If any of these allegations are proven to be true, we will take swift and decisive action. Unfortunately, we still have not seen any of the evidence. We look forward to an ongoing dialogue to be able to clarify discrepancies, and we call for a fair and transparent legal process.

World Vision’s cumulative operating budget in Gaza for the past ten years was approximately US$22.5 million, which makes the alleged amount of up to US$50 million being diverted hard to reconcile. Mohammad El Halabi was the manager of our Gaza operations only since October 2014; before that time he managed only portions of the Gaza budget. World Vision’s accountability processes cap the amount individuals in management positions at his level to a signing authority of US$15,000.

Our staff hiring processes aim to ensure that we employ people who are qualified, committed to our values and who pose no risk to our partners, communities or our programes. World Vision uses background checks and the well-regarded WatchDOG Elite system to screen staff against approximately 20 blocked-party lists.

Read more: https://www.worldvision.com.au/media-centre/resource/statement-from-kevin-jenkins-president-and-chief-executive-officer-of-world-vision-international


(Amira Hass) Israel's Allegations Against World Vision: Credible Charges or Political Ploy?
Source: Haaretz, Aug 09, 2016
Presentation of the charges as a given fact, against the employee of an international aid organization, for passing funds to Hamas, raises suspicions that the goal is to weaken voices critical of Israel.

On Monday the international aid organization World Vision said that the total budget for its Gaza Strip branch during the last 10 years is much smaller than the sums Israel's Shin Bet security service claims were transferred to Hamas. But even before this statement was made, people working in humanitarian aid organizations, and associates and relatives of the detained World Vision employee, Mohammed Halabi, commented that the accusations are unreasonable.

Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.736041


Israel Claims UN Aid Official Abused Position to Help Hamas
Source: Haaretz, Aug 09, 2016
(snip)
The UNDP said in response that it has "zero tolerance for wrongdoing in all of its programs and projects," adding that "is conducting a thorough internal review of the processes and circumstances surrounding the allegation."

The statement added that the "rubble removal project was established to respond to the consequences of the 2014 hostilities in Gaza" and that "the allegations concerning Mr. Al Bursh by the Israeli authorities refer to 300 tons of the more than one million tons removed, or 7 truckloads out of a total of nearly 26,000." According to the UNDP, "the rubble removal project is considered essential for the recovery and reconstruction of Gaza following the conflict."

Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.735975

Something isn't right...



Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
9. If I could put a bet at Ladbrokes on World Vision vs Israel,
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:56 AM
Aug 2016

guess which one I would put my money on...

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
10. Remember when you questioned UNRWA incitement on Facebook?
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 10:08 AM
Aug 2016

Last edited Sat Aug 13, 2016, 12:19 PM - Edit history (1)

How about when you claimed Breaking the Silence never made a false claim?

You've been wrong before placing blind faith and trust into these organizations.

The defense will be provided all the evidence soon, so we'll see...

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
11. Of course I remember - I was dubious about the source (UN Watch?) reporting the incitement.
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 09:25 PM
Aug 2016

It was revealed later that they were indeed right.

Unfortunately for you, BTS has never made a false claim and your evidence fails to prove that they did.

In this case, Netanyahu's allegations are currently no more than a probable hoax - highly unlikely when there's not a shred of evidence supporting them, while at the same time all the available evidence seems to imply it's all a hoax. Netanyahu (he's apparently the self-appointed prosecutor now) must back up his allegations, but he seems to be remarkably reluctant to do so.

I'm not saying that this is a hoax, it just looks like a hoax...

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
13. Yeah, you were wrong about that and BtS, which has lost most of the Israeli Left
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 07:29 AM
Aug 2016
http://election.democraticunderground.com/1134131128

Australia and Germany have already halted their contributions to World Vision. They've worked with the Israelis enough to trust that these allegations against the charity are more than likely true.

I realize that Israel haters, BDS'ers, and anti-semites believe Jews lie all the time - and especially Israelis - but reasonable objective people who know anything about Israel know this would be one helluva stupid bluff & very bad for Israeli PR if the allegations are nothing but a hoax.

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
15. And when the truth comes out and you're wrong, what then?
Sun Aug 14, 2016, 08:10 AM
Aug 2016

Last edited Sun Aug 14, 2016, 08:40 AM - Edit history (1)

UNRWA, the UN, World Vision, BtS, Save the Children, etc...

How will all this change your view WRT Israel, BDS?


 

shira

(30,109 posts)
16. You brought up Amira Hass. She refuses to condemn terrorist murderers....
Fri Sep 9, 2016, 11:57 AM
Sep 2016

She even justifies terror because, occupation...





Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
12. UN says Gaza employee diverted rubble on PA instructions
Sat Aug 13, 2016, 11:21 PM
Aug 2016

Source: Times of Israel

Waheed Borsh, 38, is charged by Israel with transfering 300 tons of rubble to help build a Hamas naval facility

The United Nations on Saturday said a Gaza employee had diverted tons of rubble on instructions from the Palestinian Authority (PA) days after Israel charged him with aiding Islamist movement Hamas.

Engineer Waheed Abd Allah Bossh, 38, who worked for the UN Development Program (UNDP), was arrested on July 16 and accused by Israel of being recruited by a Hamas member to “redirect his work for UNDP to serve Hamas’s military interests.”

He was charged in an Israeli court with diverting 300 tons of rubble from a UNDP project in the coastal enclave to a Hamas operation to build a jetty for its naval force.

Hamas, the Islamist rulers of the Gaza Strip since 2007, have denied any involvement.

UNDP said that after reviewing Bossh’s charge sheet — which was made public on Tuesday — it had “established that the rubble in question was transported to its destination according to written instructions from the Ministry of Public Works and Housing of the Palestinian Authority as to where it should be placed.”

Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/un-says-gaza-employee-diverted-rubble-on-pa-instructions/

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