Spare me your shock

[shira]

Yesterday morning, a Palestinian teenager broke into the home of a Jewish family near Hebron. He entered the bedroom of a thirteen-year-old girl. She was asleep. He locked the door. He raised a knife, and he stabbed Hallel Yaffe Ariel in the head. Again, and again and again.

The nauseating attack drew instant condemnation. “The stabbing of a 13-year-old girl is a new record in atrocious and cruel acts,” said the German Foreign Office.

Please. Cut the hyperbole and spare me your shock. This horrifying attack was brutal, but hardly beyond measure: we have been here before. And if you weren’t watching when other, equally gruesome attacks were perpetrated, then you’ll forgive me for questioning your judgment in understanding what we’re up against.

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http://blogs.timesofisrael.com/spare-me-your-shock/

[Ghost Dog]

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[bluedye33139]

2. Okay

I will honor your stated request and spare you my shock. But this is an atrocious and horrifying act.

[MFM008]

4. Every act of terrorism

against innocent peaceful people is abhorrent to everyone that cares about humanity.
Now would anyone like to address the fallout from
Operation Summer Rain
Operation Autumn Clouds
Operation Hot Winter
Operation Cast Lead
Operation Returning Echo
Operation Pillar of Defense
from Operation Protective Edge in 2014 with over 1660 civilians killed (over 500 Kids)
and allegations of war crimes
most of the Gaza Strip destroyed?
Israel lost 66 soldiers and six civilians.
You cant keep people trapped like rats and not expect to be bitten.

Something has to be worked out and it never will with Netenyahu.

[shira]

5. Anything to deflect from and minimize the murder of innocent Israelis. n/t

[King_David]

6. Think anything in the world make someone less a monster, than someone who is capable of doing this ?

He entered the bedroom of a thirteen-year-old girl. She was asleep. He locked the door. He raised a knife, and he stabbed Hallel Yaffe Ariel in the head. Again, and again and again.

The guy is a pathological MONSTER!

[MFM008]

8. Of course he is

But my point is leaders of countries that order UN schools to be bombed in the pursuit of rockets, still a possible war crime is bad as well. So is the complete devestation of the Gaza ghetto. You can't compare one incident of insanity to the killing of hundreds of children and civilians.

[King_David]

9. Yet , that's exactly what you were doing.

Why else would you have thought it were relevant to post that in a thread about a Monster who killed a 13 year old child by repeatedly stabbing her in the head ?

[shira]

11. So fed up with these excuses, this "yeah but look over there..." crap.

Anything to deflect and minimize.

It's fucking gross.

[Little Tich]

7. Building more settlements and oppressing the Palestinians harder hasn't stopped the violence.

Perhaps doing the exactly opposite of what the Israeli government is currently doing would curb the violence?

Just a thought...

[shira]

10. What happened when Israel left Gaza - no more settlements, all Jews gone...?

Violence got worse immediately.

Israel offered the Palestinians their own state, no more settlements, settlers, occupation in both 2001 and 2008. Violence got worse immediately following with the 2nd Intifada and Cast Lead. Happened once again in 2014 immediately after the Kerry talks.

Why?

[Little Tich]

12. I still don't remember any such offers.

From what I remember, the offers you mentioned were meant to retain most of the settlements - hence, they were meaningless. When the illegal settlements are the cause of a non-viable state, trying to make them retroactively legal doesn't change anything. They're still there, and still make a Palestinian state non-viable...

However, these offers are a historical footnote, just like the Arab Peace Initiative and the French attempt will be. The reality is the continued construction of illegal settlements until the bi-national state is a fact on the ground that can't be ignored.

[6chars]

13. Consider the possibility of a civil war

Civil war is a common outcome of binational states, even when the two sides have much better relations than in this case. Israel has not yet had an all out war with Palestinians. There have been battles in Gaza and Jenin, but nothing that has been an all-out, fight for your life civil war, like in the former Yugoslavia or Syria, for a couple of recent examples. Such wars are really horrible affairs for all involved though usually worse for one side than the other.

From the Israeli perspective, a civil war would also involve attacks from other regional players,

“We Iranians as a united and integrated nation see liberation of the Holy Quds (Jerusalem), rescuing the oppressed and defenseless Palestinian nation from the dominance of the fake Zionist regime, and efforts aimed at eliminating the cancerous tumor of Israel as the noble cause of the Islamic Revolution"

In Lebanon alone over 100,000 missiles are ready at all times to fly… at the heart of the Zionist regime,” said General Hossein Salami, deputy chief of the elite Revolutionary Guards, in a speech before Friday prayers at Tehran University.

“Tens of thousands of other missiles… have been planted across the Islamic world and are awaiting orders so that with the push of a button a sinister and dark dot on the political geography of the world disappears forever.”

(http://www.timesofisrael.com/iranian-al-quds-day-resolution-demands-elimination-of-cancerous-israel/)

On the other hand, it is hard to imagine Palestinians faring well in such a war.

Demanding a binational state when there is no readiness for one at all makes such a war more likely. The way such a war would arise would be an escalating series of terrorist incidents and reprisals, and it is not hard to imagine this happening.

Best to try to avoid.

[Little Tich]

14. So, it's all about the settlements then...

Keep the settlements and Israel will become a bi-national state.
Keep the settlements and there will be a civil war.

Building the settlements was a bad idea in 1967 and it's even worse now in 2016...