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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 04:49 AM Jun 2016

Israeli girl stabbed to death by Palestinian inside bedroom

A teenage Israeli girl has been stabbed to death in an attack at a Jewish settlement in the occupied West Bank.

The Israeli military said the 13-year-old, identified by local media as Hallel Yaffa Ariel, was attacked inside her bedroom in Kiryat Arba.

A security guard who responded to the incident was wounded before the attacker was shot dead by other guards.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-36671991

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Israeli girl stabbed to death by Palestinian inside bedroom (Original Post) oberliner Jun 2016 OP
Very sad. fun n serious Jun 2016 #1
And ....Nine Israelis attacked in Ramallah...... Israeli Jun 2016 #2
This story is about a 13 year old Israeli girl who was knifed to death in her bedroom oberliner Jun 2016 #4
Whilst you ignore .... Israeli Jun 2016 #6
What a disgusting response to the murder of a child - any child , anywhere. King_David Jun 2016 #8
I don't see where you posted leftynyc Jun 2016 #10
Just one thing... PersonNumber503602 Jun 2016 #12
This is one of the sickest posts I have seen here in a long time oberliner Jun 2016 #13
I wish I could say I was surprised leftynyc Jun 2016 #14
Cold heart. nt King_David Jun 2016 #15
Turns out you were right leftynyc Jun 2016 #16
What sane mother moves her family from America .... Israeli Jul 2016 #23
I haven't seen you leftynyc Jul 2016 #27
You asked my advice when you were coming over here .... Israeli Jul 2016 #28
You don't have to live there leftynyc Jul 2016 #29
No you dont have to live there ..... Israeli Jul 2016 #30
LOL - I've been watching you post leftynyc Jul 2016 #32
I think you're assuming all orthodox are "ultra" orthodox religious fanatics... shira Jul 2016 #34
No - I'm not making that assumption leftynyc Jul 2016 #37
ROFLMAO......... Israeli Jul 2016 #38
If you want to hate the parents for their choice to live in settlements, that's one thing... shira Jul 2016 #33
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jun 2016 #21
Wow what 6chars ? Israeli Jul 2016 #25
6chars is showing why the Left in Israel keeps losing. shira Jul 2016 #35
You have made it perfectly clear what you think about us .... Israeli Jul 2016 #39
I'm not sure when talking about Israeli Jews King_David Jul 2016 #40
Thats okay KD .... Israeli Jul 2016 #41
And when one does dare " dissent " .......... Israeli Jul 2016 #42
Double post . Israeli Jun 2016 #7
what kind of organism does something like this? geek tragedy Jun 2016 #3
"1 Palestinian, 1 Israeli killed, another wounded in Hebron-area settlement attack" oberliner Jun 2016 #5
She was only 13. n/t Little Tich Jun 2016 #9
The Palestinian "leaders" leftynyc Jun 2016 #11
Related: Abbas' aide just called for slitting Israelis' throats. n/t shira Jun 2016 #17
I just had to provide a link leftynyc Jul 2016 #26
Palestinian mother of terrorist: "My son is a hero. He made me proud... shira Jun 2016 #18
Ali Abunimah blames Israel 4 Pal. terrorist who murdered 13 y.o. girl, admired Hitler shira Jun 2016 #19
Issa Amro too oberliner Jun 2016 #20
Even though the mom stated clearly it's about Al-Aqsa, the occupation is still blamed.... shira Jul 2016 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jun 2016 #22
This message was self-deleted by its author 6chars Jul 2016 #24
After Mother of Terrorist Says Son "Hero" and "Martyr," NY Times Mistranslates to Hide Her Words shira Jul 2016 #36
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
4. This story is about a 13 year old Israeli girl who was knifed to death in her bedroom
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 06:22 AM
Jun 2016

Your response to that is what exactly?

Israeli

(4,289 posts)
6. Whilst you ignore ....
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:40 AM
Jun 2016

...........Nine Israelis attacked in Ramallah.

Your response to that is what exactly?

You chose the headlines .....why the BBC BTW ?????

I dont recognize Kiryat Arba as part of Israel oberliner.......she wasnt an Israeli ...she was the child of settlers who chose to place her there .

Kiryat Arba is a hell hole of extremism ........almost as bad as Hevron .

I mean , come on , you want me to weep and wail for our religious right wing .....while they do their best to annihilate us ?

I weep for Hallel Yaffa Ariel as much as her parents weeped for Yitzhak Rabin.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
10. I don't see where you posted
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:31 AM
Jun 2016

a thread about those Israeli's. How can one ignore something not posted? That you can't weep for a 13 year old girl murdered says quite a bit.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
13. This is one of the sickest posts I have seen here in a long time
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jun 2016

A 13 year old girl was stabbed to death and this is your reaction?

I am speechless.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
14. I wish I could say I was surprised
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:10 PM
Jun 2016

but I'm not. How sad is that? It's being reported that the murdered girl was an American citizen.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. Turns out you were right
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:30 PM
Jun 2016

She wasn't Israeli. She was an American. And still only 13 years old and still stabbed to death in her bed. And just fyi - the past tense of weep is wept.

Israeli

(4,289 posts)
23. What sane mother moves her family from America ....
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 01:22 AM
Jul 2016

.....to Kiryat Arba and why leftynyc ?????

For one reason only .....religion , and the need to reclaim Judea and Samaria as part of a Greater Israel for her god .

What was she thinking .....that all would be milk and honey , roses and wine ???

What was it Bibi said ...." Israel ‘Will Forever Live By The Sword’ " ..... ????

You want to hold on to Kiryat Arba and Hevron and East Jerusalem and all the other ' Holy Places ' within the Wild West Bank ...then ...thats the price you will pay ...over and over again .

I hope she is the last innocent child that pays the price for her parents folly ....but I know she wont be .

BTW ....all of us are paying the price for the folly of our Messianic madmen ....whether born in America or home grown .

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
27. I haven't seen you
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 04:28 AM
Jul 2016

discuss the fact that one of abbas's aides said just a day or two before this that any Israeli should have their throat slit. I know you like to pretend the Palestinians are innocent little kittens living under the jackbooted Israeli's and that the killing of this child is very inconvenient to that narrative but it's time to suck it up. There is plenty of blame on both sides. Perhaps they should have taken the state offered to them decades ago or maybe one day they'll realize how their own leaders continually let them down while they're also screwing them over.

Israeli

(4,289 posts)
28. You asked my advice when you were coming over here ....
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 04:46 AM
Jul 2016

.....for your two week tourist trip .....which BTW you have been playing on ever since ...as if you are some kind of expert after only two weeks .

You remember what I advised ...???

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
29. You don't have to live there
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:02 AM
Jul 2016

to have an opinion and I surely have never seen you take any of the Pro-P to task for having strong opinions from the US, Australia or anywhere else. Why would that be? Most of them have never stepped foot in Israel. Yes, I remember your advice and I heeded it. I didn't go near the settlements and the only time I was in Palestinian territory was in the Old City while on the Via Dolorosa.

Israeli

(4,289 posts)
30. No you dont have to live there .....
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 05:38 AM
Jul 2016

....to have an opinion leftynyc.......but my 66 years of living here , born to parents that were born here .....kind of out does your two week tourist trip ....dont you think ?

Quote ...."" I know you like to pretend the Palestinians are innocent little kittens ""

You know that how leftynyc ??......mind reader are we ? .....a post I might have made that stated so ???????????

If I thought " the Palestinians are innocent little kittens " would have I advised you as I did ??

You didnt go near the settlements ......why not ??
Was it because of my advive ??.....or because you knew you would be in danger ?

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
32. LOL - I've been watching you post
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:32 AM
Jul 2016

for years already - I don't exactly HAVE to mind read. The settlements were not part of the tour that was put together for us - it's that simple. We were asked if we wanted to go and that's when I heeded your advice, which I had shared with the 3 others I was with, and we decided to stay away. Religious freaks get no love from me - I don't care what religion they are - although we did go to Mea Sharim - it was a few hours of a tour with a very secular guide - we made our feelings about the ultra Orthodox very plain to her. I think they're parasites in Israel - they live on welfare, don't serve in the military - all they do is take. I have no use for them whatsoever (and neither did our guide who will be sending her own children to serve in a few short years).

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
34. I think you're assuming all orthodox are "ultra" orthodox religious fanatics...
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:52 AM
Jul 2016

I don't know the breakdown or percentages of decent orthodox to the absolute hilltop youth nutters, but constantly dehumanizing all orthodox settlers as if they're all drooling fanatics is something Hamas, Abbas, and their bigoted BDS fans do when they incite constantly against all - and I mean all settlers. Sure, the ultra religious fanatic messianic hilltop nutter settlers are a cancer, no doubt....but not all orthodox settlers are like that, and there are many (maybe most?) settlers who are secular.

I don't think the nutters are there only for Messianic purposes either. I can see where both religious and non-religious Jews would choose to live there because their ancestors lived on that land for thousands of years and that's their home too. They have a right to live where they want in their indigenous historic homeland, like any Native American of North America. We'd never label Native Americans nutter extremists for wanting to live somewhere their ancestors lived. We wouldn't do that to anyone else in the world.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
37. No - I'm not making that assumption
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:41 AM
Jul 2016

but those in Mea Sharim are Ultra-Orthodox fanatics. I'm not sure I shared this story at DU but I learned a very valuable lesson about not assuming all the very religious were intolerant assholes. My brother in law grew up with a guy right in Westchester County NY - from kindergarden to high school when they went their separate way to attend college and law school. The friend met his wife in Seattle, they decided to become very religious and moved to Tzfat 30 years ago. We visited them on our trip last year and we were kinda nervous about it - until we met them. They were lovely - they have 9 children and 6 grandchildren (both in their late 50s) - The wife has always worked out of the home - first she raised goats and sold the milk and cheese and now makes jewelry. They gave their children the option of serving in the military - only 1 did. But we were there for hours discussing both Israel and US politics and since my BIL's friend went to law school in the US, knows that religion is not supposed to sway any laws - only the constitution (which Israel doesn't have). They couldn't have been more welcoming to us and my BIL and his friend were like two kids in camp reminiscing. I learned a lot that night.

Like you, I don't believe all the settlers are very religious but the ones who scream the loudest certainly are (as they often are right here in the US).

Israeli

(4,289 posts)
38. ROFLMAO.........
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 05:43 AM
Jul 2016
" but not all orthodox settlers are like that, and there are many (maybe most?) settlers who are secular "

That's about as good a one as your fantasy of Arabs living on settlements .

Whats Kiryat Arba famous for shira ?......

http://www.gettyimages.com/pictures/an-ultra-orthodox-jew-kisses-the-grave-of-extremist-baruch-news-photo-184754981#an-ultraorthodox-jew-kisses-the-grave-of-extremist-baruch-goldstein-picture-id184754981
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
33. If you want to hate the parents for their choice to live in settlements, that's one thing...
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:42 AM
Jul 2016

The 13 year old child is completely different.

You show zero empathy for that.

It would be like your opponents here blaming an innocent Palestinian child's parents for that child's murder, showing no feeling whatsoever for the child killed, as if the child deserved it...

That's cold.

Response to Israeli (Reply #6)

Israeli

(4,289 posts)
25. Wow what 6chars ?
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 04:07 AM
Jul 2016

You under the impression that we are one big family over here ????

One tribe united ???

No where near it .

BTW .....the settlers are using the death of Hallel Yaffa Ariel to push their agenda ....see :

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4822780,00.html

You got a " Wow " for that .....using the death of a child to excuse further settlement growth etc etc etc .....????



 

shira

(30,109 posts)
35. 6chars is showing why the Left in Israel keeps losing.
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:59 AM
Jul 2016

Last edited Fri Jul 1, 2016, 08:29 AM - Edit history (1)

Has nothing to do with excusing further settlement growth. Showing sympathy for this 13 year old girl who was murdered does not equate to support of settlements. That you have been led to believe THAT shows how detached the Israeli Left is and why it won't be coming to power anytime soon. If THAT is what the Israeli Left is - in that they couldn't really give a crap about this 13 year old girl - they don't deserve to be in power, ever.

Israeli

(4,289 posts)
39. You have made it perfectly clear what you think about us ....
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 05:51 AM
Jul 2016

....for years on here shira .

You dont love us .......we dont love you .

End of story .

King_David

(14,851 posts)
40. I'm not sure when talking about Israeli Jews
Sun Jul 3, 2016, 07:14 AM
Jul 2016

You can talk for them .
Especially since I'm pretty sure the vast vast vast majority are not post Zionists.... At all .

Israeli

(4,289 posts)
41. Thats okay KD ....
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 04:56 AM
Jul 2016

You can keep talking for us .....................

Meanwhile our post zionists will keep talking for us ........

The Populist Right's Main Characteristic: The Desire to Silence the Forgotten People

Yitzhak Laor Jul 04, 2016

A real specter is haunting Europe – the specter of populism: Brexit, Donald Trump and Alternative for Germany. Here in Israel populism has already triumphed, unchallenged. It churned through the Likud Central Committee and the settlers, removing Benny Begin and Michael Eitan, supporters of colonialism who at least respected institutions like the courts and equality before the law for Arab citizens as well. Now the mob is even trampling on Israel Defense Forces generals, the heroes of yesteryear.

The main characteristic of the populist right is the desire to crush all institutions, including the discourse of civil and human rights – by the victims of course, the “forgotten people.” Coherence is unimportant; another major characteristic of populism is zigzagging between arguments.


Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman is our ultimate exemplar, but whoever examines the speed with which Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu moved from objecting to opening the files of the Yemenite children to supporting it will recall that this populism was created when the good boy from upper-class Rehavia came to the Likud and changed it in the name of “fighting the elites.” Whoever listens to the rhetoric of Miri Regev can find what newspaper readers in the West are still having a hard time digesting: the appeal to the mob via incitement, i.e. the verbal trampling of institutions, as Shakespeare prophesied about the nature of the mob in an age of ego. It doesn’t matter what the leader in power said two hours before, because two hours hence he will give me the supreme pleasure – by sticking it to the institutions, the “elites,” or to the minorities. “Like.”

Let’s leave the EU as an institution that the British have sought to trample and don’t know now how to get out of, with Labour falling apart as a result of Conservative maneuvering. Take our miserable country and its main news channel – it’s not New Zealand here, or Canada, but a country in an ongoing political crisis. What does it deal with? Night after night it tries to ingratiate itself. Watch as Facebook sets the agenda, in a way it doesn’t (yet) in the West, as it quashes all talk of rights, from the right to be presumed innocent to the right to have water in the occupied territories, and see how deeply populism has seized control here.

And there is no populism other than that of the right, which is always shallow and comes from the powers that be, and look at the rhetoric of the struggle against it in the name of the victim, “the people.” Here we come to the dying left. Some of the slogans that serve right-wing politicians are also popular among the “radical left” – incitement against Mapai, which has been out of power for 40 years; a certain strain of feminism, and the betrayal of the refugees. Beyond this there’s a very large public of people who honestly call themselves the left, but they have no institution to turn to for the language of opposition, even though there is no other way to dissent.

read more: http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.728925

Israeli

(4,289 posts)
42. And when one does dare " dissent " ..........
Tue Jul 5, 2016, 05:29 AM
Jul 2016
How Israel is turning anti-occupation activists into dissidents

Israel is seeing a worrying resurgence of attempts to curtail and suppress dissent, particularly among anti-occupation and human rights activists. That process does not take place in a vacuum.

By Michael Schaeffer Omer-Man |Published July 4, 2016

Source : http://972mag.com/how-israel-is-turning-anti-occupation-activists-into-dissidents/120425/
 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
5. "1 Palestinian, 1 Israeli killed, another wounded in Hebron-area settlement attack"
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 06:52 AM
Jun 2016

That's how this story was reported in Ma'an News.

The first sentence of the news article begins this way:

"A Palestinian teenager was killed on Thursday morning in an Israeli settlement in the southern occupied West Bank..."

The closing paragraph criticizes the Israelis forces for shooting the Palestinian who stabbed the girl.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
11. The Palestinian "leaders"
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jun 2016

are calling the murderous scum a martyr:

The teen murderer was hailed as a "martyr" by official PA media, who failed to note . Mahmoud Abbas's Fatah party tweeted praising "the martyr Mohammad Tarayrah, who carried out the operation today that resulted in the killing of a settler and in the injuring of another."


http://www.jpost.com/Arab-Israeli-Conflict/I-want-to-die-Kiryat-Arba-terrorist-wrote-on-Facebook-prior-to-attack-459170?utm_source=newsletter+30-06-2016&utm_campaign=newsletter_30_6


They're callling a 13 year old girl a settler who presumably deserved what she got. THIS is what so many here want the Israeli's to forgive, get beyond and try and make peace with (vomit)

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
26. I just had to provide a link
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 04:24 AM
Jul 2016

for that to someone who thought it was bullshit (or just wanted to make sure before they were outraged).

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
19. Ali Abunimah blames Israel 4 Pal. terrorist who murdered 13 y.o. girl, admired Hitler
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jun 2016
https://twitter.com/WarpedMirrorPMB/status/748562949086777345

Hitler admiration is on terrorists' Facebook timeline.

According to Channel 2’s Arab affairs analyst Ehud Ya’ari, previous Facebook posts by Taraiyre included praise of Hitler, who “killed the Jews with only half a moustache,” apparently referring to the ease with which the Nazi leader accomplished his goal.


 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
20. Issa Amro too
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 07:25 PM
Jun 2016

"This kid wanted to attack the settlement, but the occupation is responsible for killing him and for the death of this young girl."

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
31. Even though the mom stated clearly it's about Al-Aqsa, the occupation is still blamed....
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 06:24 AM
Jul 2016

....because that's the narrative and by golly they will stick to that no matter what.

Because sure, the terrorist "martyr" just wants a 2 state solution...

Response to oberliner (Original post)

Response to 6chars (Reply #22)

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
36. After Mother of Terrorist Says Son "Hero" and "Martyr," NY Times Mistranslates to Hide Her Words
Fri Jul 1, 2016, 07:24 AM
Jul 2016
UPDATE: Following communication with CAMERA staff, the New York Times has corrected its subtitles. They now accurately show the woman using the word "hero" to describe terrorists like her son, and no longer claim she called the killing a "crime."


A New York Times video segment entitled "Reactions to West Bank Stabbing" includes an interview with the mother of a Palestinian terrorist who murdered a 13-year-old girl today. But a series of mistranslations downplayed the mother's words, which showed her proud support for her son's deed.

A twitter user named Akiva Cohen flagged one error, noting that although the audio clearly captured the mother calling her son a shahid, or "martyr," the subtitle showed her saying only "son."

http://blog.camera.org/archives/2016/06/after_mother_of_terrorist_says.html
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