Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forumOrlando gunman’s wife has Palestinian roots, was married before in West Bank
Noor Zahi Salmans parents listed as being born in Palestine; police believe she knew about the plot ahead of time
http://www.timesofisrael.com/orlando-gunmans-wife-has-palestinian-roots-was-married-before-in-west-bank/
scscholar
(2,902 posts)He obviously beat her, or she wouldn't have been afraid to come out.
bunnies
(15,859 posts)Holy hell.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)I've heard about a lot of stuff she's been telling the police but nothing about that. Why?
King_David
(14,851 posts)More obvious is she's complicit and could of stopped a terrorist from killing 49 LGBTQ and their friends.
What's more obvious is that she has blood on her hands.
MariaThinks
(2,495 posts)azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but bravo for making the Palestinian somehow someway responsible
But authorities are looking into whether she should face charges for what she may have known of his intentions and possibly failed to report to law enforcement.
The development comes as investigators try to understand what motivated Mateen to carry out the devastating attack. Forty-nine people were killed early Sunday and 53 people were wounded. Officials said that 28 victims are still hospitalized, including at least four people who are in critical condition.
Salman, Mateen's second wife, has been cooperating with various law enforcement agencies. The couple has been married since 2011. They have a 3-year-old son.
The couple lived in Fort Pierce, Florida, about an hour from the club. Salman told the FBI she had noticed changes in her husband's behavior and tried to dissuade him from doing anything violent, the official said.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-wife-fbi/index.html
King_David
(14,851 posts)Then she's complicit in this terrorist attack and hopefully gets life . Hopefully her son will be removed from the home and away from the whole sorry family.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)but I suppose it would be a treasured moment for some to see an American-Palestinian charged with terrorism
King_David
(14,851 posts)She has blood on her hands .
The FBI will be forced to charge her .
You don't get away with murdering 49 People , and walk... Even if they were Gay.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)With 49 dead LGBTQ.
Bye
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)at this point the FBI isn't charging her with anything
King_David
(14,851 posts)That's what happens to vermin scum mass murderers .
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)So please drop your flippant attitudes to the murder of 49 people- even if most victims were Gay.
Just stop !
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)and your attempts to put me on the defensive by constant insinuations of homophobia on my part are a fail
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Unlike you...clearly
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)Nobody else knows WTF it means beside you.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)What time was it on TV
For clarity all your childish and immature allegations here would be hidden after June 20 as they are not allowed in the new DU.
You're the only one here who seems to know exactly what time when happens on Fox News - I don't even get it on cable.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)I got 6:12 pm edt from your initial CNN link made well after your initial comment
King_David
(14,851 posts)Thankfully posts like your ridiculous allegations will be hidden come June 20.
This website is LGBTQ friendly BTW.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)that if one bother to follow this sub-thread it could look as though Fox News was your original source and that is why you didn't supply a link
starts here,
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=129955
it was nearly an hour before you came with the CNN link that was at the time stamped 6;12 EDT well after your initial post @ 5:51 edt
King_David
(14,851 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)WHINING about WHEN it was shown on which station is helping you here? 49 people are dead - 49 families destroyed and THIS is what you choose to focus on. You should be embarrassed.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)This miserable woman drove her scum husband around to case out a place for him to KILL PEOPLE. I don't give a shit if he was abusing her as once she dropped him off at Pulse and left him there (not the night of the killing) - she could have driven straight to the police. She's as guilty as he is and I'm so very sorry it's so very inconvenient to you that she's a Palestinian.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)CNN Breaking News @cnnbrk
Grand jury to consider charges against wife of Orlando nightclub gunman, officials say. http://cnn.it/1XXcjNG
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)A U.S. attorney plans to bring evidence before a federal grand jury to determine whether charges will be brought against Noor Salman, the widow of Orlando nightclub gunman Omar Mateen, according to two law enforcement officials.
The process could take some time, as investigators still need to finish collecting evidence and establishing a timeline for Mateen's activities leading to Sunday's attack, the officials said.
Noor Salman has told investigators that Mateen told her he had interest in carrying out a jihadist attack -- but she denied knowing of any specific plans, a law enforcement
http://cnn.it/1XXcjNG
King_David
(14,851 posts)What happened to your Fox News allegations- which will get your post hidden come June 20 btw...
Where's all your defence of the indefensible and your flippant attitude now ?
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)as I already stated above
librarylu
(503 posts)How about we just let the investigators do their jobs, huh? We know very little about her at this point. She may be a victim too.
King_David
(14,851 posts)More feeling for my 49 family members who were just slaughtered in a terrorist attack and thinking I couldn't care less for someone who it seems probably was complicit .
librarylu
(503 posts)Check out some of the photos of Mateen playing with his little boy.
Even if she had turned him in would it have stopped him? Chances are he would have convinced the law like he did the FBI. They didn't find him dangerous.
I don't know what kind of marriage they had but I know what it's like being married to someone who's dangerous. Trying to do something about it can make things worse. (Women who leave their abusers are 85% more likely to be killed than if they stay, or so I've read.)
Should we assume she was complicit because she's Palestinian or is there something to indicate she's a jihadist too?
All the families must be going through hell right now, including his. I feel for them all.
King_David
(14,851 posts)she was with him buying guns and bullets - reportedly.
Her eMails and texts will be studied too.
It has nothing to do with her being Palestinian, but if she was complicit in this massacre of LGBTQ and friends - if guilty -then I hope she never gets to see daylight again or her young son.
librarylu
(503 posts)her "conflicting stories" were that she didn't know what he was going to do and that she had an "inkling" about it. You can't get someone arrested on an "inkling". Didn't he go to work that day? Did she even know where he was heading after that?
He was a security guard. Maybe he told her or she believed the guns and ammo were for work. His own father didn't know his son was going to gay bars. He said he wasn't gay; he wasn't raised that way.
It really sounds like Omar was living a double life. He was a time bomb in any event.
King_David
(14,851 posts)It's not sure he was gay.in fact I don't believe he was.
What's sure is he did it for ISIS ... A radical Islamist terrorist who hated gays...
librarylu
(503 posts)for an organization that hates ISIS.
If he did it because he wants America to stop bombing his country (as a witness said) shooting up a gay nightclub was an odd way to do it. He was born here (so was she). Shades of Sirhan Sirhan but he shot a presidential candidate, not a nightclub full of people. Mateen could have joined anti-war protesters or written his congressman or something.
He was hanging out at Pulse a couple of times a month for about three years, according to one of the entertainers. That's a lot of scoping for someone who isn't gay.
I'm sure we both know some gay men have wives and families before they come out, if they ever do.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Have you seen ISIS throwing Gays off buildings ?
They don't need an excuse to massacre Gays .
he reportedly named three organizations in the 911 call (which hasn't been released), one of which is an enemy of ISIS. Seems kind of confused to me.
I think this was more complicated than a simple hate crime. There no evidence he was part of a cell or anything like that.
ISIS beheads people too. The English used to do that; they called it "execution".
Have you seen the Chris Callen interview with Anderson Cooper? Apparently he was something of a regular.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Horrific moment two gay men are thrown off tall building by ISIS then stoned by baying mob including children
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3198283/Horrific-moment-two-gay-men-thrown-tall-building-ISIS-stoned-baying-mob-including-children.html
librarylu
(503 posts)We call them terrorists, extremists (too extreme even for Al Queda).
Committing atrocities is often usual when an inferior force is fighting a superior force. The idea is to psyche 'em out, get them to want to just leave. Apaches took to wearing necklaces made of settlers' middle fingers. Superior forces tend to commit atrocities too, of course. I consider bombings and drone strikes pretty atrocious but then I'm not a big fan of war.
The Middle East will be uninhabitable in a few years anyway due to climate change. I can only hope Westerners will pull out before then and the followers of Islamic State can settle down to their normal stoning of adulteresses.
A witness said Mateen said there were others with him but apparently he was just making stuff up.
The wife says she was afraid of him. Fear can be paralyzing. The investigation continues.
King_David
(14,851 posts)I think not.
In less than a blink of an eye in geologic time.
http://www.ipsnews.net/2016/04/will-the-middle-east-become-uninhabitable/
2050 is just around the corner.
http://gizmodo.com/extreme-heat-will-make-parts-of-the-middle-east-and-afr-1774311994
Much of Florida will be under water by then too.
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Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Being Palestinian isn't a crime in itself in the US...
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Little Tich
(6,171 posts)That is, if she actually was unaware of the shooting before it happened...
shira
(30,109 posts)Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Zahi Salman, told the FBI that her husband assured her he was simply going to see friends, although she believed he was actually planning to unleash terror at the Pulse nightclub, a two-hour drive north from their home in Port St. Lucie.
Mateen, 29, opened fire at Pulse early Sunday, leaving 49 dead and 53 injured.
Twenty-seven victims remained hospitalized Tuesday. Six were in critical condition, according to hospital officials who said the death toll was still at risk of rising because one or two of those patients were "profoundly ill."
Noor apparently had an inkling about her husband's sinister plot after she told the FBI she once drove him to Pulse because he wanted to scope it out.
King_David
(14,851 posts)We shall see....
shira
(30,109 posts)Apparently gays, jews, women, and christians don't count in the regressive left oppression olympics.
Scumbags who target and murder them are more oppressed & deserving of more support for targeting gays, women....
Makes me sick to my stomach.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)There must be an extensive body of previous rulings about culpability from prior knowledge of a criminal act. This horrible thing is at least not extraordinary in that regard.
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