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Orlando gunman’s wife has Palestinian roots, was married before in West Bank (Original Post) shira Jun 2016 OP
More blaming the victim scscholar Jun 2016 #1
She could have made a goddamn anonymous phone call. bunnies Jun 2016 #2
Where is that obvious? leftynyc Jun 2016 #3
I don't think it's obvious King_David Jun 2016 #4
.that^ 840high Jun 2016 #6
more excuses for a possible criminal. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #51
local police maybe but not the FBI azurnoir Jun 2016 #5
If she knew about it before and never called the police King_David Jun 2016 #7
well unfortunately for the hopeful the FBI usually holds more gravitas than local LEO's azurnoir Jun 2016 #8
She helped a terrorist case out a Gay bar King_David Jun 2016 #9
Perhaps you should contact the FBI as you seem to know more than they do- keep us informed please azurnoir Jun 2016 #10
And I'm done with you and your oh so not funny attitude King_David Jun 2016 #11
I'm sorry but even straight Muslim women get due process in this country perhaps not other places azurnoir Jun 2016 #14
Federal prosecutors are filing charges to a grand jury at this very moment King_David Jun 2016 #15
No they are investigating to see if any charges can be filed azurnoir Jun 2016 #19
Still educating rank amateurs, azurnoir? good for you. somebody has to. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #59
Disgusting attitude. n/t shira Jun 2016 #13
Breaking news Federal prosecutors to file charges against wife to Grznd Jury King_David Jun 2016 #12
yep that's what Fox News is telling us is that why you didn't provide a link? azurnoir Jun 2016 #16
see post #16 Fox News who announce this has lot's of theory and opinion azurnoir Jun 2016 #17
Heard it on CNN , I won't pay for Fox News King_David Jun 2016 #20
LOl 50 minutes later azurnoir Jun 2016 #23
You're the only one laughing at this incomprehensible post .... King_David Jun 2016 #33
for clarity BTW the original time stamp on the CNN story was 6:12 EDT well after your initial post azurnoir Jun 2016 #37
Huh King_David Jun 2016 #39
No 6:12pm edt is when it appeared on CNN I got Fox after Googling your initial announcement azurnoir Jun 2016 #43
You just look foolish...Carrying on and on with this nonsense King_David Jun 2016 #46
yet another insinuation of homophobia because your embarrassed azurnoir Jun 2016 #47
Foolish King_David Jun 2016 #48
Who cares? Really.....who cares? n/t shira Jun 2016 #49
So you really think leftynyc Jun 2016 #54
Would you like her home blown up, Dave...like they do in Israel: guilt by association? R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2016 #60
You're LAUGHING at this? leftynyc Jun 2016 #53
BTW they are not filing charges as you claim they are investigating to see if there are any charges azurnoir Jun 2016 #18
You can defend that complicity all you want, mass murderer of Gays and our friends.... King_David Jun 2016 #21
your link bore out my title line here from YOUR link azurnoir Jun 2016 #22
What happened to all your snark now? King_David Jun 2016 #24
you posted something from CNN 50 minutes after I posted the Fox link azurnoir Jun 2016 #25
'Member this? librarylu Jun 2016 #26
Not really feeling for her , at all.... King_David Jun 2016 #27
Evidence? librarylu Jun 2016 #29
If reports are true , and it's before a grand jury now, she accompanied him to the club, King_David Jun 2016 #30
According to the story librarylu Jun 2016 #31
Soon we will know for sure King_David Jun 2016 #32
He also did it librarylu Jun 2016 #34
He said he did it for ISIS King_David Jun 2016 #35
IIRC librarylu Jun 2016 #36
Not in 2016 but ISIS : here's what those scum do to Gays King_David Jun 2016 #38
Yes, horrific librarylu Jun 2016 #40
A few years ? King_David Jun 2016 #41
Yep librarylu Jun 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #44
If she didn't do anything illegal, she can't be charged - even if she's a Palestinian. Little Tich Jun 2016 #28
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #45
So, unless American courts have lowered their evidentiary standards, she's got nothing to fear... Little Tich Jun 2016 #50
Looks like she indicted herself already... shira Jun 2016 #52
They already finding text messages King_David Jun 2016 #55
I'm sick of all this shit, defending scum like this who target gays, jews, women, christians.... shira Jun 2016 #56
We shall see, indeed... Little Tich Jun 2016 #57
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #58
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
3. Where is that obvious?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

I've heard about a lot of stuff she's been telling the police but nothing about that. Why?

King_David

(14,851 posts)
4. I don't think it's obvious
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jun 2016

More obvious is she's complicit and could of stopped a terrorist from killing 49 LGBTQ and their friends.

What's more obvious is that she has blood on her hands.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
5. local police maybe but not the FBI
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jun 2016

but bravo for making the Palestinian somehow someway responsible

FBI investigators don't believe Noor Salman was a co-conspirator in the attack that killed 49 people Sunday morning at Pulse, the source said.

But authorities are looking into whether she should face charges for what she may have known of his intentions and possibly failed to report to law enforcement.

The development comes as investigators try to understand what motivated Mateen to carry out the devastating attack. Forty-nine people were killed early Sunday and 53 people were wounded. Officials said that 28 victims are still hospitalized, including at least four people who are in critical condition.

Salman, Mateen's second wife, has been cooperating with various law enforcement agencies. The couple has been married since 2011. They have a 3-year-old son.

The couple lived in Fort Pierce, Florida, about an hour from the club. Salman told the FBI she had noticed changes in her husband's behavior and tried to dissuade him from doing anything violent, the official said.


http://edition.cnn.com/2016/06/14/us/orlando-gunman-omar-mateen-wife-fbi/index.html

King_David

(14,851 posts)
7. If she knew about it before and never called the police
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

Then she's complicit in this terrorist attack and hopefully gets life . Hopefully her son will be removed from the home and away from the whole sorry family.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
8. well unfortunately for the hopeful the FBI usually holds more gravitas than local LEO's
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:14 PM
Jun 2016

but I suppose it would be a treasured moment for some to see an American-Palestinian charged with terrorism

King_David

(14,851 posts)
9. She helped a terrorist case out a Gay bar
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 03:23 PM
Jun 2016

She has blood on her hands .
The FBI will be forced to charge her .
You don't get away with murdering 49 People , and walk... Even if they were Gay.






azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
14. I'm sorry but even straight Muslim women get due process in this country perhaps not other places
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jun 2016

at this point the FBI isn't charging her with anything

King_David

(14,851 posts)
15. Federal prosecutors are filing charges to a grand jury at this very moment
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:51 PM
Jun 2016

That's what happens to vermin scum mass murderers .

King_David

(14,851 posts)
12. Breaking news Federal prosecutors to file charges against wife to Grznd Jury
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jun 2016

So please drop your flippant attitudes to the murder of 49 people- even if most victims were Gay.

Just stop !

King_David

(14,851 posts)
33. You're the only one laughing at this incomprehensible post ....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:59 PM
Jun 2016

Nobody else knows WTF it means beside you.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
39. Huh
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:33 AM
Jun 2016

What time was it on TV

For clarity all your childish and immature allegations here would be hidden after June 20 as they are not allowed in the new DU.

You're the only one here who seems to know exactly what time when happens on Fox News - I don't even get it on cable.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
43. No 6:12pm edt is when it appeared on CNN I got Fox after Googling your initial announcement
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 12:45 PM
Jun 2016

I got 6:12 pm edt from your initial CNN link made well after your initial comment

King_David

(14,851 posts)
46. You just look foolish...Carrying on and on with this nonsense
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 03:22 PM
Jun 2016

Thankfully posts like your ridiculous allegations will be hidden come June 20.

This website is LGBTQ friendly BTW.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
47. yet another insinuation of homophobia because your embarrassed
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jun 2016

that if one bother to follow this sub-thread it could look as though Fox News was your original source and that is why you didn't supply a link

starts here,

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=129955

it was nearly an hour before you came with the CNN link that was at the time stamped 6;12 EDT well after your initial post @ 5:51 edt

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
54. So you really think
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 06:54 AM
Jun 2016

WHINING about WHEN it was shown on which station is helping you here? 49 people are dead - 49 families destroyed and THIS is what you choose to focus on. You should be embarrassed.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
53. You're LAUGHING at this?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 06:52 AM
Jun 2016

This miserable woman drove her scum husband around to case out a place for him to KILL PEOPLE. I don't give a shit if he was abusing her as once she dropped him off at Pulse and left him there (not the night of the killing) - she could have driven straight to the police. She's as guilty as he is and I'm so very sorry it's so very inconvenient to you that she's a Palestinian.

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
18. BTW they are not filing charges as you claim they are investigating to see if there are any charges
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:59 PM
Jun 2016

King_David

(14,851 posts)
21. You can defend that complicity all you want, mass murderer of Gays and our friends....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:47 PM
Jun 2016

CNN Breaking News ‏@cnnbrk
Grand jury to consider charges against wife of Orlando nightclub gunman, officials say. http://cnn.it/1XXcjNG

azurnoir

(45,850 posts)
22. your link bore out my title line here from YOUR link
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jun 2016

A U.S. attorney plans to bring evidence before a federal grand jury to determine whether charges will be brought against Noor Salman, the widow of Orlando nightclub gunman Omar Mateen, according to two law enforcement officials.
The process could take some time, as investigators still need to finish collecting evidence and establishing a timeline for Mateen's activities leading to Sunday's attack, the officials said.
Noor Salman has told investigators that Mateen told her he had interest in carrying out a jihadist attack -- but she denied knowing of any specific plans, a law enforcement

http://cnn.it/1XXcjNG

King_David

(14,851 posts)
24. What happened to all your snark now?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:03 PM
Jun 2016

What happened to your Fox News allegations- which will get your post hidden come June 20 btw...

Where's all your defence of the indefensible and your flippant attitude now ?


librarylu

(503 posts)
26. 'Member this?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:14 PM
Jun 2016



How about we just let the investigators do their jobs, huh? We know very little about her at this point. She may be a victim too.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
27. Not really feeling for her , at all....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:01 PM
Jun 2016

More feeling for my 49 family members who were just slaughtered in a terrorist attack and thinking I couldn't care less for someone who it seems probably was complicit .

librarylu

(503 posts)
29. Evidence?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:16 PM
Jun 2016

Check out some of the photos of Mateen playing with his little boy.

Even if she had turned him in would it have stopped him? Chances are he would have convinced the law like he did the FBI. They didn't find him dangerous.

I don't know what kind of marriage they had but I know what it's like being married to someone who's dangerous. Trying to do something about it can make things worse. (Women who leave their abusers are 85% more likely to be killed than if they stay, or so I've read.)

Should we assume she was complicit because she's Palestinian or is there something to indicate she's a jihadist too?

All the families must be going through hell right now, including his. I feel for them all.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
30. If reports are true , and it's before a grand jury now, she accompanied him to the club,
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:25 PM
Jun 2016

she was with him buying guns and bullets - reportedly.

Her eMails and texts will be studied too.

It has nothing to do with her being Palestinian, but if she was complicit in this massacre of LGBTQ and friends - if guilty -then I hope she never gets to see daylight again or her young son.

librarylu

(503 posts)
31. According to the story
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:43 PM
Jun 2016

her "conflicting stories" were that she didn't know what he was going to do and that she had an "inkling" about it. You can't get someone arrested on an "inkling". Didn't he go to work that day? Did she even know where he was heading after that?

He was a security guard. Maybe he told her or she believed the guns and ammo were for work. His own father didn't know his son was going to gay bars. He said he wasn't gay; he wasn't raised that way.

It really sounds like Omar was living a double life. He was a time bomb in any event.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
32. Soon we will know for sure
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jun 2016

It's not sure he was gay.in fact I don't believe he was.
What's sure is he did it for ISIS ... A radical Islamist terrorist who hated gays...

librarylu

(503 posts)
34. He also did it
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:13 PM
Jun 2016

for an organization that hates ISIS.

If he did it because he wants America to stop bombing his country (as a witness said) shooting up a gay nightclub was an odd way to do it. He was born here (so was she). Shades of Sirhan Sirhan but he shot a presidential candidate, not a nightclub full of people. Mateen could have joined anti-war protesters or written his congressman or something.

He was hanging out at Pulse a couple of times a month for about three years, according to one of the entertainers. That's a lot of scoping for someone who isn't gay.

I'm sure we both know some gay men have wives and families before they come out, if they ever do.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
35. He said he did it for ISIS
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:18 PM
Jun 2016

Have you seen ISIS throwing Gays off buildings ?

They don't need an excuse to massacre Gays .

librarylu

(503 posts)
36. IIRC
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jun 2016

he reportedly named three organizations in the 911 call (which hasn't been released), one of which is an enemy of ISIS. Seems kind of confused to me.

I think this was more complicated than a simple hate crime. There no evidence he was part of a cell or anything like that.

ISIS beheads people too. The English used to do that; they called it "execution".

Have you seen the Chris Callen interview with Anderson Cooper? Apparently he was something of a regular.



librarylu

(503 posts)
40. Yes, horrific
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:22 AM
Jun 2016

We call them terrorists, extremists (too extreme even for Al Queda).

Committing atrocities is often usual when an inferior force is fighting a superior force. The idea is to psyche 'em out, get them to want to just leave. Apaches took to wearing necklaces made of settlers' middle fingers. Superior forces tend to commit atrocities too, of course. I consider bombings and drone strikes pretty atrocious but then I'm not a big fan of war.

The Middle East will be uninhabitable in a few years anyway due to climate change. I can only hope Westerners will pull out before then and the followers of Islamic State can settle down to their normal stoning of adulteresses.

A witness said Mateen said there were others with him but apparently he was just making stuff up.

The wife says she was afraid of him. Fear can be paralyzing. The investigation continues.



Response to librarylu (Reply #42)

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
28. If she didn't do anything illegal, she can't be charged - even if she's a Palestinian.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:18 PM
Jun 2016

Being Palestinian isn't a crime in itself in the US...

Response to Little Tich (Reply #28)

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
50. So, unless American courts have lowered their evidentiary standards, she's got nothing to fear...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:53 PM
Jun 2016

That is, if she actually was unaware of the shooting before it happened...

 

shira

(30,109 posts)
52. Looks like she indicted herself already...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:51 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/orlando-nightclub-massacre/omar-mateen-s-wife-tried-talk-him-out-orlando-attack-n592051

The Orlando gunman's wife feared he was going to attack a gay nightclub overnight Saturday and pleaded with him not to do anything violent — but failed to warn police after he left, NBC News has learned.

Omar Mateen's wife, Noor Zahi Salman, told the FBI that her husband assured her he was simply going to see friends, although she believed he was actually planning to unleash terror at the Pulse nightclub, a two-hour drive north from their home in Port St. Lucie.

Mateen, 29, opened fire at Pulse early Sunday, leaving 49 dead and 53 injured.

Twenty-seven victims remained hospitalized Tuesday. Six were in critical condition, according to hospital officials who said the death toll was still at risk of rising because one or two of those patients were "profoundly ill."

Noor apparently had an inkling about her husband's sinister plot after she told the FBI she once drove him to Pulse because he wanted to scope it out.
 

shira

(30,109 posts)
56. I'm sick of all this shit, defending scum like this who target gays, jews, women, christians....
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 08:44 AM
Jun 2016

Apparently gays, jews, women, and christians don't count in the regressive left oppression olympics.
Scumbags who target and murder them are more oppressed & deserving of more support for targeting gays, women....

Makes me sick to my stomach.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
57. We shall see, indeed...
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 09:28 AM
Jun 2016

There must be an extensive body of previous rulings about culpability from prior knowledge of a criminal act. This horrible thing is at least not extraordinary in that regard.

Response to Little Tich (Reply #50)

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