You pay two Palestinian terrorists who left this British woman for dead and killed her friend £9,000

[shira]

You pay two Palestinian terrorists who left this British woman for dead and killed her friend £9,000 each every year - as a 'REWARD'

Two Palestinian terrorists who repeatedly stabbed a British woman in a brutal attack and killed her friend are now each receiving at least £9,000 in ‘blood money’ every year with the help of UK aid.

Kay Wilson was left for dead in an orgy of violence in Jerusalem in which Kristine Luken, an American, was killed. The attackers were eventually caught and, after admitting their crimes, were sent to prison.

But Ms Wilson was horrified to learn from news reports that her assailants were being paid a monthly stipend equivalent to £750 each effectively from the Palestinian Authority (PA).

Last week The Mail on Sunday exposed how ‘reward’ payments are going via the PA to thousands of terrorists and to hundreds of other prisoners in Israeli jails.

Ms Wilson, 51, and her friend were hiking in the Judean Hills in 2010 when the two men pounced on them, believing both women to be Jewish, although Miss Luken was Christian. After tying the women up the terrorists launched a savage attack.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3520852/You-pay-two-Palestinian-terrorists-left-Britain-woman-dead-killed-friend-9-000-year-reward.html#ixzz4555pSdFX

Kay Wilson recent interview...

https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=kay+wilson+terror&tbs=qdr:w

[Little Tich]

1. While the thorny issue of the PA giving money to convicted terrorists and their families is worth

discussing, the OP is too hasbara for me.

Ms Wilson is a member of Standwithus which supposedly seeks to "promote religious tolerance and understanding" - the truth is that it's a right-wing pro-Israel that does the exact opposite. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StandWithUs)

Palestinian Media Watch is a right-wing organization that very selectively highlights examples of purported incitement in Palestinian media and portrays them as mainstream. (http://972mag.com/judge-dismisses-credibility-of-palestinian-media-watch-testimony/78900/). Palestinian Media Watch has ties to the Central Fund of Israel which funnels American tax exempt donations to the settlements (http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/06/world/middleeast/06settle.html?_r=0) as well as funding outright incitement against Palestinians (http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/features/akiva-eldar-u-s-tax-dollars-fund-rabbi-who-excused-killing-gentile-babies-1.2137)

There's also at least one other thread about Palestinian Media Watch on DU, so there's no need for me to regurgitate what's already been posted: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=54602

Anyway, I just can't get over the obvious shortcomings of the OP, so I think I'll just skip the actual subject for another time.

[shira]

2. Way to deflect from the OP by going on the attack instead. I get you don't want to discuss....

...how Abbas and the PA/PLO/FATAH rewards terrorists. You never wish to discuss anything like this. You rant about "hasbara" but all you seem capable of doing is savaging anyone critical of Palestinian leadership.

Also your links are ridiculous as they prove nothing you assert.

[Little Tich]

8. I have a definite problem with racist groups being accepted as mainstream,

and I do believe that my links show that there's something "off" with Palestinian Media Watch and StandWithUS.

Simply put, I think that these groups promote racism towards Arabs and that they are too few steps removed from MSM and political activism. For me, these groups are completely analogous to the BNP and it's supporters (or the KKK &co in the US), and the Daily Mail or any other reputable news source would never pander to them. I have encountered argumentation of the same format as the OP before - a legitimate issue that's been hijacked by racists and remodeled into incitement against an ethnic group, while on the surface it's still made to look like a legitimate issue.

My resistance to these "pro-Israel" groups being accepted has actually nothing to do with Israel - it's based on my own experience of European right-wing nationalism and racism, and I firmly believe that such ideologies should stay on the fringe. If you can prove that these "pro-Israel" groups aren't analogous to other right-wing nationalist and racist groups, then my argument would fall apart and it would be difficult to maintain that the argumentation in the OP was just a vessel for anti-Palestinian incitement. It would also mean that I would have to stop ranting about hasbara and actually discuss the issue of the PA giving money to convicted terrorists and their families, a practice which I'm not particularly looking forward to having to defend.

Now, the proof that these groups promote racism towards Arabs:

There are two pro-Israel groups that are mentioned in the OP article - StandWithUS and Palestinian Media Watch.

StandWithUS:
StandWithUS is the sponsor of the short lived Captain Israel comic, which I consider to be inherently racist in it's portrayal of Palestinians. Look also carefully at the snake in the second picture - aren't the colors of the snake in the second pic awfully similar to the colors of the Palestinian flag? Hmm... His only redeeming feature is that he gets to fight with Foreskin man in issue 2, apparently.




Source: http://www.workbook.com/blog/2353

According to Mondoweiss, StandWithUS seems to be linked to islamophobe Brigitte Gabriel and gets neocon funding:

The group’s general attitude toward Palestinians is reflected in its comic book, which features “Captain Israel” and depicts Palestinians as vermin.The StandWithUs speakers’ bureau includes the Islamophobia network’s Brigitte Gabriel. Newton Becker of the Becker Family Foundation was a StandWithUs founder.

Source: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/10/anti-muslim-bigotry-is-being-funded-by-the-israel-right-or-wrong-crowd/

According to Wikipedia:

According to a report published in October 2009 by Inter Press Service, StandWithUs has received funds from a "web of funders who support organisations that have been accused of anti-Muslim propaganda and encouraging a militant Israeli and U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East." The organization countered by stating, "Radical Islam has impacted the Middle East greatly. All this stuff comes from a very fundamentalist religious position and looking at it does not make you right- or left-wing."

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StandWithUs#Criticism


Palestinian Media Watch:
Palestinian Media Watch is a group that mainly tries to provide a distorted view of what's reported in Arab-language media making it look as if extreme views are mainstream. I would consider such activity to be racist and inciteful against Arabs and Muslims. An article from +972 Mag details how it's done:

Judge dismisses credibility of Palestinian Media Watch testimony
Source: +972 Mag, September 15, 2013
(snip)

The judgment also mentioned that Marcus was questioned as to why he didn’t include any citations from the TV networks Aljazeera and al-Arabiya, which are very popular among residents of the Palestinian Authority. “As far as Al-Arabiya TV is concerned,” writes the judge in her verdict, “he maintained that ‘we do not watch Al-Arabiya’, and in regard to Aljazeera he said that he and his team only listen to it ‘very rarely’, and again, the unavoidable conclusion that is that Marcus’s expert-witness testimony expert is skewed and in fact it is biased, especially when it became clear that on one hand it used quotations from insignificant newspapers, and on the other hand it has been established that the testimony ignored the existence of other newspapers and television networks that are very popular among the residents of the Palestinian Authority.

Read more: http://972mag.com/judge-dismisses-credibility-of-palestinian-media-watch-testimony/78900/

The founding director of Palestinian Media Watch is Itamar Marcus, who is a former vice president of the Central Fund of Israel. The Central Fund of Israel is funding Jewish extremists and the notorious Im Tirtzu organization as detailed in the Forward and elsewhere:

Why Are Our Federation Dollars Funding Israeli Settlements?
Source: The Forward, Jan 12, 2016
(snip)

The Central Fund of Israel, which distributed more than $23 million in Israel in 2014 alone , has contributed to extremist West Bank yeshivas like Yitzhar’s Od Yosef Chai, whose directors created a book offering rabbinic justification for the killing of non-Jews. We were recently reminded that the Central Fund of Israel also contributes to Im Tirtzu , which put out a video inciting violence against Israeli human rights activists. The Chicago federation gave the Central Fund $45,500 in the 2012–2013 year.

Read more: http://forward.com/opinion/328952/why-are-our-federation-dollars-funding-israeli-settlements/


After Googling around for info on the above groups, I've become even more convinced that they do promote a racist agenda, and that they're connected to other groups with even more extreme agendas. The OP is just a way to promote anti-Arab sentiment.

[shira]

11. Please. Just stop. You don't have a definite problem with racist groups like BDS....

So enough already.

Your first piece of evidence of racism @ StandWithUs is the Captain Israel comic?
Okay, where's the racism?

You've got to be kidding with the BDS snake.
Please tell me you're joking.
The BDS snake is racist because it's green.
Well that just proves everything, doesn't it?

Seriously.
Stop.

[Little Tich]

13. I would've considered similar pro-Palestinian material that left out the existence of Jews from the

history of Palestine to be anti-Semitic, especially if the snake representing the enemy of the Palestinian people had been blue and white.

The comic as a medium can convey a political message quite well, especially if they're a good read.

[shira]

14. That's a real stretch. First thing I noticed when I looked at the comic you posted...

...was the map of Israel/Palestine in-between Captain Israel. It clearly distinguishes between Israel and the Palestinian territories. You notice that?

Meanwhile you're finding subliminal messages where they ain't.

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Do you find that cartoon racist too?

The snake is green. Background is blue and white.

Depicting Palestinians in green as snakes is racist.

There, I proved it.

Right?

[Little Tich]

17. I always try to figure out what kind of worldview and motivation a person must have to make a

statement that's potentially racist / anti-Semitic. If a necessary condition for that statement is a racist worldview, then that person is a racist and his statement racist too.

With this in mind, lets look at the text on the left side of the first strip of the Captain Israel comic:

For almost two thousand years, no other state or unique national group developed in Palestine; instead different empires and peoples came, colonized, ruled and disappeared -- but Jewish communities remained throughout the ages...

Their numbers rose and fell depending on the kindness and cruelty of the region's rulers...

For 400 years before World War I, Palestine was an unimportant backwater of the mighty Ottoman empire -- sparsely populated, barren, impoverished...

Until, in the latter half of the 19th century, new Jewish immigrants from Europe and Russia, seeking freedom from anti-Semitic oppression and persecution, began to repopulate the desolate land, buying it legally from absentee Arab Palestinian landlords.

I watched their backbreaking labor, as Jewish pioneers cleared the wastelands and swamps, reforested the hillsides, restored the land's once-famous fertility and built towns and villages...

(I was there when Tel Aviv was founded in 1909!)

Reading this, it conflicts more than a little with the truth - which is that Palestine was always populated by the people who had been living there since prehistoric times, and that all land that was possible to cultivate was already cultivated. There was no fallow land. It's almost as if the Palestinians never existed, and that Palestine was a land without people for a people without land - which is revisionist BS, of course.

It's this diminishing of "the other", in this case the Palestinians which I find to be the most obviously racist theme. In fact, the whole comic is revisionist in nature - the map of Palestine includes Jordan and the Balfour declaration is made to seem crystal clear, while it actually was very ambiguous in nature and went against previous agreements. Simplifying history to mean only one thing, when in reality it was complicated is a sure sign of an agenda.

In the second strip, there's a picture of a snake, obviously an enemy of some kind. The snake is colored in green, red, black and dirty white, which is remarkably similar to the colors of the Palestinian flag. This is what a Palestinian flag looks like:


Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_flag

A similar comic about Palestine that ignored the Jewish connection to the land would have been just as racist - it goes both ways for me. I see no difference whatsoever between racism and anti-Semitism, and I use the same criteria for both - the difference is who the target is.

My conclusion is that the comic is unequivocally racist.

[shira]

19. The map between Captain Israel proves you wrong.

But let's go with your argument.

What should that narrative have included? Name some Palestinian (non-Jewish) leaders in Israel, Gaza, W.Bank from the past 2000 years before Yasser Arafat, before the 20th century. A King, President, whatever...just one who identified as Palestinian. What was the capital of Palestine? When was Palestine established? Tell us something about Palestinian culture, traditions. What was the Palestinian currency? Tell us something about this proud self-identified Palestinian people - and you shouldn't have any excuses because you have 5000 years of history.

I want to know what that comic strip should have included about the Palestinian (non-Jewish) people.

Fire away.

[Little Tich]

20. Well,it would be worth mentioning that Palestine was invaded many times,

but the Palestinians always remained.
Ancient Egyptians, Assyrians, Babylonians, Persians, Ancient Greeks, Romans, Byzantines, various Caliphates, Crusaders, Ayyubids, Mamluks, Mongols, Ottomans and the British - they all came and went, but the Palestinians endured. Doesn't that count for anything? (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)

Anyway, comics about Palestine usually explore contemporary issues:

Cartoons & Conflict: Exploring Israel & Palestine Through Graphic Novels
Source: The Airship
http://airshipdaily.com/blog/cartoons-conflict-exploring-israel-palestine-through-graphic-novels

[shira]

21. You say the Palestinians always remained. Okay, name some.

Fire away.

Who are these proud non-jewish Palestinians going back 5000 years. Who were their leaders before the 20th century? What was their capital? Their culture or traditions? Their currency?

I'm still waiting.

Wait. Are you telling me you can't name any Palestinian leaders prior to the 20th century?

You don't know a thing about Palestinian culture or traditions, do you?

Why do you support Palestinians when you know absolutely nothing about them?

[Little Tich]

22. This is going way off-topic.

I have provided evidence for my argument that StandWithUS and Palestinian Media Watch are promoting racism, and that the OP is a fake argument. I've also provided evidence that shows that the Captain Israel comic is racist.

My work here is done.

[shira]

23. You're being evasive. I asked you what StandWithUs should have included in the comic...

If you can't come up with anything about the history of Palestinians going back 5000 years before the 20th century, why should you expect StandWithUs to do so?

[leftynyc]

3. With all due respect

You're a coward. The subject matter is just too difficult for you to comment on so instead you whine about how the post was written. And while you're whining about the other poster's sources, you use 972 mag - an repulsive anti-Israel group that is nothing but apologists for terrorists and terrorism. That's pathetic.

[FBaggins]

5. It's far worse than that

It reads as just this side of "similar attacks might be worth talking about, but this British woman's story is really just propaganda because she was a Zionist - and therefore her brutal murder is acceptable"

[shira]

6. Yeah, she's just a Zionist shill. Attacks against her don't count...

Check out the damage done to her via 13 stab marks:
http://www.israellycool.com/2015/10/08/guest-post-kay-wilson-what-is-it-like-to-be-stabbed-13-times/

[King_David]

7. What are they talking about when they say "Zionist"?

[Little Tich]

9. Frankly, I'm not exactly eager to have a discussion about why the PA is funding these people.

I prefer to claim the higher moral ground and not having to defend a morally dubious practice.

But just because I sniffed and turned up my nose at this particular OP, doesn't mean that I necessarily will do it again. I'm sure there are better (as in less totally biased) articles on the subject to post.

[King_David]

4. How are those organizations right wing?

Anti Women?
Anti Gay?
Doesn't believe in welfare?
Abortion?
Taxes?
Gun control?

Extremist Left wing BDS and Right Wing David Duke hate them and call them right wing and left wing .

[Little Tich]

10. I didn't make it up, I read it on the interwebs.

Officials: Israel Outsources Monitoring of Palestinian Media After IDF Lapse
Source: Haaretz, Jan 31, 2012
(snip)

The government, meanwhile, is getting most of its information on anti-Israel incitement from two private organizations, the sources said: the Middle East Media Research Institute, which is based in Washington, D.C., and the Israel-based Palestinian Media Watch.

Palestinian Media Watch provides mostly professional material on Palestinian incitement in the media and textbooks, but is associated with the right wing. It is directed by Itamar Marcus, who until recently served as the vice president of the Central Fund of Israel, a New York-based right-wing nonprofit association that donates to Israeli right-wing groups like Im Tirtzu and helps fund various activities in West Bank settlements.

Read more: http://www.haaretz.com/officials-israel-outsources-monitoring-of-palestinian-media-after-idf-lapse-1.410082


StandWithUs Draws Line on Israel
Source: The Forward, November 27, 2011
(snip)

Rothstein rejects the claims of critics who say this constitutes a right-wing agenda. But a close look at SWU’s learning material and talking points reveals a right of center narrative on issues relating to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. One activity for teachers discussing Israel and the Palestinians suggests playing a “true or false” game regarding the facts of the conflict. “The Israeli settlements in the West Bank are legal,” is one of the statements, with the correct answer marked as “true” — though no country other than Israel holds this position. Another lesson, devoted to the refugee issue, emphasizes that Palestinian refugees “were not the result of Israel’s founding but of the war Arab nations launched against Israel.” For many years, though, histories by Israeli historians have accepted that there were numerous cases in which the Israeli military engaged in mass expulsions of Arab civilians during the 1948 war that established the state. After the war Israel also barred Arab civilians who fled or were forced from their homes from returning.

Read more: http://forward.com/news/146821/standwithus-draws-line-on-israel/

[shira]

12. Sigh. Anything not comporting with the racist BDS agenda is rightwing.

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Iran supports BDS.
Hamas supports BDS.
The KKK supports BDS.
Neo-Nazis support BDS.
Holocaust Deniers support BDS.

But those opposing BDS are rightwing. See how that works?

Comical.

[shira]

15. So what are your thoughts on Kay Wilson and her experience? n/t

[Little Tich]

16. That was a horrible crime by any standards, but I'm not so sure it was terrorism. n/t

[shira]

18. And your thoughts on the PA paying the attackers? n/t

[shira]

24. So if it wasn't terrorism, why is the PA paying these "heroic" murderers?

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The PA is run by the racist Jew-hating, holocaust denying, terror supporting Mahmoud Abbas.

Care to defend Abbas now for encouraging, praising, and rewarding the murder of Jews?

You've got no problem accusing StandWithUs of imaginary racism & bigotry.

How about real, neo-nazi style racism and hatred, as we see with Abbas?

Feel free to rip away...

[Little Tich]

25. That is a good question - why is the PA giving money to simple murderers?

But it's a question that I'm not going to discuss here.