Israel/Palestine
Related: About this forum“Mondoweiss” is a hate site (UPDATED)
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Back in 2008, I wrote the following:
I find anti-Israel blogger Philip Weiss morbidly interesting, and I occasionally happen upon his blog. Weiss finds his own Jewish background alternately suffocating and infuriating, and yet can’t seem to stop talking about it, and about how he’s trying to overcome it. [Recent example: “My experience of Jewish life is that it’s elite-oriented. We cared deeply about prestige (yiches, in Yiddish) and excellence in my family, and I came to find those values suffocating…. The contempt for peasants is something I always found concerning in my own cultural background, that I seek to reform in my own Jewish experience.”] If a Woody Allen character ever became an anti-Zionist polemicist, he would be a lot like Philip Weiss.
I’ve made an occasional reference to Weiss or the blog he founded, Mondoweiss, since then. Mondweiss is basically one-stop shopping for anti-Israel news. Anything bad that goes on in Israel will be publicized and exaggerated at Mondoweiss. If you want to know the far-left anti-Israel party line on any recent event, Mondoweiss is the place to go.
So in a sense it’s understandable that people with an interest in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict read Mondoweiss, especially if they share the blog’s anti-Israel politics. I keep up sporadically with Mondoweiss largely because its posts sometimes find their way into my Facebook feed from some of my more left-wing friends.
I hope my Facebook friends and others recognize, however, that whatever Mondoweiss’ value as a news aggregator, it is also a hate site.
Mondoweiss tries to preserve a fine line between hostility to Jews and hostility to Israel, but every once in a while, Weiss reminds us that the blog’s entire existence owes to the fact that he can’t maintain that separation.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/04/mondoweiss-is-a-hate-site/
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King_David
(14,851 posts)Well at least he's Jewish and has a connection to this conflict, unlike other writers who are not connected at all neither Jewish , Muslim , Israeli nor Palestinian.
Such as Alex Kane and others who are drawn to this conflict not because of human right but more because of the dislike of "Jewish Privilege " in the western world and Jewish success.....
( hence the side they choose)
shaayecanaan
(6,068 posts)you wouldn't give a shit one way or the other?
King_David
(14,851 posts)Explaining what attracts those that make this their single and only issue and primary cause in life.
When someone adopts another people's cause as their own and it becomes their one and only struggle in life -- simply because they despise what they believe to be "Jewish Privelege" or are jealous of "Jewish success ".
It goes hand in hand with adopting the Palestinian people's cause and making it ones own personal and only cause on the one hand and minimizing Antisemitism on the other hand.
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)That doesn't even make sense.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Great rebuttal
LOL
Fantastic Anarchist
(7,309 posts)...for clarification.
Good post, indeed.
King_David
(14,851 posts)C ya
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
Fozzledick
(3,890 posts)Haters gonna hate.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)Right-libertarian bloggers at WaPo don't interest me much.
...he cites a tumblr blog and a former editor at AIPAC?
LOL indeed. LOL indeed.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Than anything .
Almost certainly Democrat
AIPAC is supported by almost every Democratic Party rep except maybe Kucinech.
If I held your views I could never vote Democratic Party.
I have no qualms being involved in our party... It gels so much more with my view on Zionism than yours ... Don't know how you hold your nose and vote Democratic Party... I could never do that if I held your views.... Shkaich.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)MJ Rosenberg is former editor for AIPC's nrewsletter, and was the director of policy at the Israle Policy Forum.
Tumblr is a great place to go if you need gifs from the latest Game of Thrones episode or arguments over what color a dress is.
Mondoweiss is not a hate site. Sorry Dave.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Mondoweis actually is an inconsequential vanity site with a tiny minuscule readership with one Jewish blogger who thinks he's a Jewish savior.
The last remaining righteous Jew in the USA and the others in the world being the 15 post Zionists on small town provincially thinking socially conservative homophobic kibbutzim in Israel .
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)It's weird for Bernstein to let his hair catch on fire about how Mondoweiss is (according to some very interested and generally ignorant parties) a "hate site" given that he's the author of a book that pans the very concept of anti-discrimination laws, You Can't Say That. he also frequently rants about the left and, as we see on the blog post you provided, "marxists." Though, at least he does update his piece to include a link to Weiss' reply, so even if mildly incoherent, he seems to have a sense of fair play.
I don't much give a damn about your opinion of Phillip Weiss or his site, Dave. And if you haven't figured out by now, I'm not swayed by arguments that consist of stringing a long ramble of invective together. I'm simply here to point out that one, Mondoweiss is not a "hate site." Two, the sources claiming it is are... well, they're not very strong, as sources go. And three, I actually kind of like disco music.
That third one is irrelevant but stopping at two felt awkward.
King_David
(14,851 posts)"
you)don't much give a damn about (my) opinion "
That's just creepy that you asking for my opinion if that's the case.
Scootaloo
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R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)First you were applauding the LGBTQ-hating, Bible-worshiping Tennessee legislature (AKA GOP dominated) in one of your posts, and now a Libertarian blogger?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)
I guess some must have their hobbies; no matter how blatantly slanted.
shira
(30,109 posts)You post from his blog constantly, so do you feel the same way?
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Please get in control of your emotions, shira WRT the truth: Mondoweiss style.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I read the Mondo Weiss post “Forgiving the anti-Semites”, (http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/forgiving-anti-semites)and it didn’t strike me as anti-Semitic at all. It contains observations about the American Jewish experience from several people, and then also some musings on these observations.
Bernstein’s major hangup seems to be a passage about how Weiss explains the Israel lobby: “I said that it reflected a contract the American establishment had made with Jews to drive the economy in the 1970s”. Improperly interpreted, this could be a reference right out of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, but no, I don’t think so. I simply interpret it as American Jews supported Israel, and that their support for Israel then became widespread among the whole political spectrum. However, I personally don’t know how it came to be that Israel has so much support in the US.
The whole Bernstein article is long and rambling, and contains a lot of things that are unrelated to Mondo Weiss, like references to Gilad Atzmon and Muslims as a powerless, disenfranchised minority. There are two links in the beginning, one goes to a retarded tumbler account, (http://mondotruth.tumblr.com/) the other goes to an article at the Tikkun Daily website called “Mondoweiss & Is Anti-Semitism Dead?” (http://www.tikkun.org/tikkundaily/2014/03/16/is-anti-semitism-dead/).
The Tikkun Daily article is interesting, at least for me. It contains a talkback written by one of the editors which I agree with fully. His definition of anti-Semitism is “hating Jews and wishing them ill”, which is close to how I define anti-Semitism: “Racism specifically directed at Jews”
(1st response to article, snip)
Rabbi Michael Lerner March 16, 2014 at 10:48 am
I’ve always been thrilled to have MJ Rosenberg as one of our bloggers. But I have to strongly object to calling Mondoweiss Anti-Semitic. I do believe that their constant criticism of Israel is unfair, one-sided, and shows none of the compassion that we progressives ought to be showing to those with whom we disagree. I do often disagree with articles that are published on that site (but then again, I often disagree with articles published on this Tikkun Daily blog, and I’m the editor (who believes in free speech). Yet I think it is a disservice to the term ‘anti-Semitism” to use it as equivalent to having unfair and excessive criticism of Israel. The term means “hating Jews and wishing them ill,” and I don’t believe that the editors at Mondoweiss fit that description. Nor do I think it appropriate for our Tikkun Daily blog to be a place where we throw that term around except where it applies–to groups that do in fact hate Jews and wish Jews ill. There are such groups, and they have been popping up all over Europe once again and most recently in the Ukraine. So I want to apologize to Mondoweiss for this article and urge all who use this site to avoid those kinds of accusations unless they are backed up with detailed specific examples that prove the charge beyond a reasonable doubt. –Rabbi Michael Lerner, Editor, Tikkun
(end snip)
I think Bernstein’s article in no way proves or manages to show there is a possiblity that Mondo Weiss is a hate site. In a way it proves the opposite, as Bernstein really had to grasp at straws to get material for his article.
King_David
(14,851 posts)Little Tich
(6,171 posts)That poster is misinterpreting Weiss in the same way that Bernstein did.
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)The Volokh Conspiracy is a blog, founded in 2002, covering legal and political issues from an ideological orientation it describes as "generally libertarian, conservative, centrist, or some mixture of these."
In January 2014 The Volokh Conspiracy migrated to the Washington Post and was moved behind a paywall in June 2014. The Volokh Conspiracy retains full editorial control over its content.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Volokh_Conspiracy
King_David
(14,851 posts)As has been demonstrated not only is Weiss apparently Antisemitic but also a contributor to conservative publications.
Mondoweiss has no place on a progressive sure site as ours .
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134102914#post15
http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134102914#post8
Weiss suggested (a) that Jews are more inclined to cheat than are non-Jews, and indeed Jews don’t even recognize it as cheating; (b) that the American non-Jewish establishment made some sort of deal with the Jews back in the 70s, in which Jews provided their economic prowess to the U.S. in exchange for support for the Israel lobby (indeed, that one is so ridiculous that my fingers rebelled at typing it); (c) Jewish media company CEOs force their Gentile employees to express support for Israel and (d) that Jews need to “understand our role” in causing the Holocaust because of the “power” we had. Weiss now elaborates that he’s talking about Jewish economic power, as if the German Jew who started as a peddler and built his business into a chain of department stores wasn’t simply an individual Jewish businessman who found success, but instead part of a cabal of Jews using their “power” to undermine the Gentiles, who retaliated via the Holocaust.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/volokh-conspiracy/wp/2015/05/04/mondoweiss-is-a-hate-site/
shira
(30,109 posts)a) Jews are more inclined to cheat than are non-Jews, and indeed Jews don’t even recognize it as cheating;
(b) The American non-Jewish establishment made some sort of deal with the Jews back in the 70s, in which Jews provided their economic prowess to the U.S. in exchange for support for the Israel lobby
(c) Jewish media company CEOs force their Gentile employees to express support for Israel and
(d) that Jews need to “understand our role” in causing the Holocaust because of the “power” we had. Weiss now elaborates that he’s talking about Jewish economic power, as if the German Jew who started as a peddler and built his business into a chain of department stores wasn’t simply an individual Jewish businessman who found success, but instead part of a cabal of Jews using their “power” to undermine the Gentiles, who retaliated via the Holocaust.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)Had the good sense to use ignore as I don't see that used as a source to much here - not without serious pushback. Weiss is repulsive and 98 percent of Jews either have no idea the worm even exist or think he's an imbecile. His self hatred is almost a parody.
still_one
(96,436 posts)monodies is garbage.
shira
(30,109 posts)leftynyc
(26,060 posts)That it's used here as reliable is a stain on DU - a stain that doesn't surprise me in the slightest.
Mosby
(17,383 posts)Like counterpunch who many DUers defend even though they are publishing articles written by bigots of every stripe.
shira
(30,109 posts)Besides, if Israelis and their supporters are really so concerned about the use of their vaunted religio-national symbol by critics and detractors, let them worry about ending the occupation first. When the Star of David stands for humanist values and not for oppression, its use in artistic works will diminish and it will be far easier to distinguish the anti-Semites from the rest. Until then, let that Star be an object of contempt. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/09/star-david-game#sthash.zMrJnb99.dpuf
shira
(30,109 posts)I don’t think you can forgive Hitler. But forgive Europe? Maybe that is necessary. It should not be so fresh in our minds, here in the U.S. Maybe that means telling the story differently, understanding our own role. It was never a fair fight. But we always had a kind of power. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2015/04/forgiving-anti-semites#sthash.pBsiDi3R.dpuf
shira
(30,109 posts)From the Ryan Dawson's anti-Neocons site, this is said to be a photo from 2006 of Congresswoman Jane Harman and Bush Homeland Security boss Michael Chertoff, a former prosecutor, out for a jog. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/birds-of-a-feather#sthash.3O6beiHQ.dpuf
http://www.interpretermag.com/ryan-dawson-rts-human-rights-activist-a-holocaust-denier-whos-friends-with-hate-criminals/
Hunt recently resurfaced in an extensive interview on the podcast of one Ryan Dawson for a discussion of his new video, “The Treblinka Archaeology Hoax”. According to the ADL, in that video, Hunt calls the Holocaust a “hoax”, and “describes the death camps as ‘work camps’ where the Jews got what they deserved. Hunt states that the Jews in the camps ‘were living off interest rates, usury, etc. and if you read Mein Kampf, of course, basically Hitler said that they should be working. They shouldn’t be living off people they’re scamming.’”
...The man behind the podcast promoting those videos, Ryan Dawson, has for over a decade used the internet to spread some pretty horrid ideas: ideas about Jews making up or exaggerating crimes committed by Nazi Germany, ideas about Israel carrying out the 9/11 attacks, even claims that the Jewish religion sanctions pedophilia, rape and ritual murder. Dawson has made clever use of the free publicity-generating possibilities provided by social media to promote some of the worst forms bigotry and conspiracy theories. On Facebook, he does this under the name “antizionist”. He’s “Anti-neocon,” “Super anti-neocon” or just “ANC” for his blog, web-forum and his podcast, the “ANC Report”. But it was on YouTube, where he just goes by Ry Dawson, that he reached his largest audience – that is until he was discovered by the Russian news agency RT.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)I tried to Google "Ryan Dawson Mondoweiss", but it didn't help...
shira
(30,109 posts)- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2009/04/birds-of-a-feather#sthash.3O6beiHQ.dpuf
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)but linking to the source of the picture isn't really a promotion of the views at the link...
shira
(30,109 posts)That's progress.
Now connect the dots with Marc H. Ellis & Mondoweiss.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Jews.
I have no problem admitting when I'm wrong, and it's actually good for me to be taken down a notch. I can't promise you I'll connect the dots the way you do about Ellis and Mondoweiss, but I'll have a look...
shira
(30,109 posts)However, your sentiment is certainly understandable. In the Golden Age of Constantinian Judaism, what Jew with a conscience wants to identify with normative Jewish life?
Like many Jews of Conscience, Shlomo, you’re fed-up with all things Jewish. Your tone is searching and declarative.
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/10/shlomo-resign-jewish#sthash.FT1Ffqni.dpuf
shira
(30,109 posts)Marc H. Ellis is an extremely popular writer for Mondoweiss.
From Ellis' Future of the Prophetic: Israel’s Ancient Wisdom Re-presented:
“Atzmon is extreme but, in his extremity, he is much like the biblical prophets.” (page 332)
“Atzmon performs the prophetic for our time. Like the biblical prophets he does not acknowledge, Atzmon believes we are at the end of Jewish history, a history, like the prophets, he no longer believe exists or, if it does, is not worthy of being carried forward. Irony of ironies, he witnesses to the continuity of both”. (page 334)
“Like Moses, though with a twist, Atzmon is constrained from entering the land… Atzmon refuses to return until the Promised Land is liberated from the modern-day Israelites. In short, Atzmon’s homeland is occupied by Jews.” (pg’ 336)
“Instead of King of the Jews, perhaps Atzmon should be recognized as the prophet of old. At least in his self-description and his outreach, this is the way he appears.” (page 332)
“Although largely silent on the prophets, Atzmon’s prophetic voice wants nothing to do with his biblical patrimony. It seems to him contrivance that leads to what Israel has become – and perhaps, more or less, always was. (page 329)
“In an accusatory manner, Atzmon cites diaspora Jews for constructing their identity through the holocaust and the state of Israel. Since most diaspora Jews were born after the holocaust and do not live in Israel, Atzmon views them as voyeurs.” (page 329)
“From the Jewish establishment Board of Deputies to the marginal Jewish Trotskyites – ‘the Jews for this and that’ – Atzmon sees it all as a giant scam.” (page 331)
“Atzmon views the accusation of being an anti-Semite as a last ditch attempt by Jewish groups of different viewpoints to insulate themselves against the deconstruction of Jewish identity. However, while protecting against the deconstruction of Jewish identity another projection comes to the fore.” (page 331)
“For Atzmon Jewish identity lacks foundation. Therefore, ganging up on him becomes an agreed-upon foundation to deal with a group anxiety that there is a little basis of Jewish identity at all. Why else would such diverse group come together to denounce a fellow Jew* with such vehemence? Perhaps, as well, Jewish group-think regarding Atzmon represent an anxiety that Atzmon himself voices and embodies: that the only foundation of Jewishness is injustice.” (page 331)
“He [Atzmon] baits his opponents and leaves them without a place to turn. Nor does he leave himself room to turn. Unlike the biblical prophets, Atzmon’s call to repentance leads nowhere – unless exile is always somewhere else.” (page 334)
“In fact, Atzmon takes pleasure in the ire of Jews he antagonizes with his writing. He delights in calling attention to the restrictive Jewishness of Jews across the board. “(page 330)
“Atzmon’s self-identification has led Jewish and Palestinian groups to publicly disassociate from him. The lead has been taken by Palestinians themselves who struggle to separate Jews and Zionism. For these Palestinians, Atzmon muddies the waters since their dispute with Israel as a Jewish state is not with Jews themselves. By disassociating themselves from Atzmon, Palestinians want to set the record straight about their own views on Israel, Zionism and Jews.” (page 330)
shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)You see, if you want to export the Holocaust you have to believe it. Believing it isn’t about whether the Holocaust happened or not, that’s the easy way out. Believing the Holocaust is about Jewish innocence. Translated, Jewish innocence is about Jewish exceptionality. Translated further, Jewish innocence is about Jewish destiny. - See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2012/08/exile-and-the-prophetic-jewish-holocaust-missionaries#sthash.IKuccvBO.dpuf
shira
(30,109 posts)Gaza a gas chamber you round
Palestinians in.
israel is not a religion.
israel is the golden calf
and G-d is
a child in Gaza
and this is holocaust
this is genocide
this is ethnic cleansing
this is what it is
and can no longer be.
israel i abhor you.
G-d, israel, is a child in Gaza,
in Palestine waking up this mourning to shake you to the ground.
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/israel-golden-calf#sthash.oRGjtOyo.dpuf
shira
(30,109 posts)Israel/Palestine Philip Weiss on June 20, 2014 123 Comments
A great deal of misinformation has been spread about the missing Israeli teens in the West Bank. I did it myself in denying there was a campaign in support of kidnapping settlers– when there is. Jeffrey Goldberg did it, in exaggerating that campaign, and smearing French Muslims.
Still, the public does not know very much at all about the fate of the missing teens, even as Israel insists that they were abducted and is using the alleged abduction as a political football and a pretext to send soldiers all over the West Bank, today killing a Palestinian teen.
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/06/evidence-teens-abducted#sthash.n0X0YnyL.dpuf
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Shows how Mondoweiss is exactly the same as the "Kahanist" sites.
shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/01/jewish-without-palestinians#sthash.vaCd6cs7.dpuf
Definitely a war crime.
shira
(30,109 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)Mondoweiss on Joseph Massad: "is there much or any difference today between Jews and the Nazis who persecuted them?"
http://mondoweiss.net/2013/05/prophetic-massad-strikes
What a surprise as this comes from Gilad Atzmon's BFF, Marc H. Ellis.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)We’ll wail that the whole world is against us and wants to destroy us, no less. The deputy minister will call on Switzerland to boycott, the minister will declare that boycotts are unacceptable, the deputy director of the Foreign Ministry will explain that a bigger budget is needed, and Sheldon Adelson will convene an emergency conference in Las Vegas – and despite it all, nothing will budge. Propaganda won’t cover for everything.
The policy of denial and disconnection from reality is rising to a dangerous level, and the illness is getting worse. When the world starts to show encouraging signs of stirring to action, Israel further entrenches itself in its imaginary reality and erects more and more separation barriers for itself. Israel seems to think that what worked well in its society and succeeded in almost totally wiping out all consciousness and awareness, will work just as well in the rest of the world. That the brainwashing campaign that was such a dazzling success here will be just as effective abroad – it’s all just a matter of “hasbara,” the Israeli euphemism for propaganda – and of budgets, of course.
Just give them enough funding and hasbara tools and they’ll explain to the world how wrong it is and how right the state of the Jews, who have no other country. A convention in Las Vegas, some brainstorming in Jerusalem, and the world will change its attitude.
Mind you, this is only an educated opinion on hasbara, but it seems to hit the nail on the head WRT certain individuals wishing to perform an internet book burning by censoring those they do not like, who write things that others may read; which will help them connect the dots of Israeli apartheid, oppression, human rights abuses, outright murder and downright theft of a people's land.
shira
(30,109 posts)Decent people would acknowledge the bigotry and stop posting from his Jew hating, Hamas supporting site.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)scouring old posts to cry about.
shira
(30,109 posts)On my way into the New Israel Fund Haaretz conference on the future of Israel Sunday morning I felt I had made a mistake in coming. The long security line was filled with American and Israeli Jews, some talking Hebrew, and I felt angry and duped that anyone would even undertake a discussion of this huge political question with a Jim Crow crowd. That American Jews could tell themselves that it was sufficient to gather Jews to the issue was (as always) infuriating. It would be like negotiating the future of the American South with a conference of white people. And at the same time, the monocultural crowd gave me confidence about my progressive community’s inevitability. If Jews must maintain a majority even in these conversations– well, Zionism really is self-defeating. I texted a friend, “I hate Zionism.”
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/12/netanyahu-politicians-community
shira
(30,109 posts)"Emily and I go out on West End Avenue, and a blonde mother goes by with two kids. I hear her talking Hebrew and I feel anger toward her. "
"she has an appointment with the legislative assistant to her congressman. His name sounds Jewish. I feel anger at him, and give her suggestions of what to say to the guy."
"A lot is going through my head. At the meeting, Jane said that one problem with our issue is that, Like it or not, it’s going to draw anti-Semites. They show up at lectures and talks. She’s right. I’ve met anti-Semites cloaked in their righteous criticism. I saw anti-Jewish hatred in Gaza, where they paint dustbins with the Star of David. I’ve felt that hatred of Israel myself. When you see the monstrosities of Gaza, you can’t help but feel hatred."
http://sadredearth.com/the-malice-of-mondoweiss/
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)The very definition of self-hating Jew. Anyone who wants to use that site for a source shows where they're coming from immediately.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)You haven't managed to convince me that Mondoweiss is unsuitable to use as a source in this forum, nor have you convinced me that it's an anti-Semitic site. Some articles from Mondoweiss should obviously have been edited, but it's not a newspaper, so it's unavoidable that a few substandard / problematic articles will slip through.
The thing is, I can't see any of that anti-Semitism that supposed to be rampant at Mondoweiss. There's lot of criticism of Israel, but as long as it's justified, I have no problem with that.
I will continue reading what you're posting in this thread, but I will probably continue to draw a different conclusion.
shira
(30,109 posts)Last edited Fri Dec 18, 2015, 07:28 AM - Edit history (1)
How about hearing or seeing Muslim sounding names? Are you fed up with all things Muslim yet? You should ask yourself if there is a difference between Muslims & Nazis.
You think Muslims lie and cheat and don't recognize it as such? That Muslims need to understand their role in bringing catastrophe upon themselves?
The crescent moon should be an object of contempt from now on - okay?
That's all indicative of the trash Mondoweiss posts on a daily basis - found in many examples above.
How the hell is that not racist?
shira
(30,109 posts)Mondoweiss is an anti-Israel blog that continues to grow in popularity, it helps that the site is designed to look like a journo blog without pix of klashnikov bearing hearties and palestinian flags. It has been criticized as anti-Semitic which MW bloggers deny with hyperbolic vigor suggestive of persecution complexes, MW is a deeply racist site that doesn't limit its hatred to Jews.
MW published a Joseph Massad article claiming that "the Jewishness that most Jews celebrate (is) colonial and criminal" it turns out Joey uses stormfront material which is unsurprising since he thinks being Jewish is a crime. They support terrorist attacks on Israeli civilians as "legitimate resistance." For another example here's a blogger telling readers to beware of opinions held by those with Jewish names:
"When you read an article on Israel/Palestine or a letter to the editor, isn’t one of the first things you do to check the name and see if the person is Jewish or not? Doing so is not giving in to anti-semitism. It’s a simple way to prepare yourself for possible bias on the part of the reporter or letter-writer."
There's a term for telling readers to distrust people who are perceived to have a Jewish name but isn't 'criticism of Israel.'
much more to be continued below...
http://nicknipclose.blogspot.com/2013/05/mondo-weiss-racist-sewer.html
shira
(30,109 posts)*MW published 'a tale of two martyrs' an article that equates hamas fan Rachel Corrie to Anne Frank, yes they really something so obscenely idiotic and racist. My response:
*Gilad Atzmon is a hitler fan who has endorsed the protocols of the elders of zion, yet mondo weis has defended him against ADL criticism the ADL's actions as “outrageous” and portraying him as "an outspoken critic of the lobby and all forms of Zionism” and "truly controversial." The MW founder Philip Weiss has even let Atzmon interview him about Jewishness.
*Allison Weir is a racist abomination, she heads the anti-Israel group 'if Americans knew' she's also a prolific blood libeler in a single article she claimed that Jews steal organs and she thinks medieval Jews ritually killed children and used their blood in rituals. Yet this doesn't bother MW's founder as you can see from quotes are from multiple articles:
"And below are excerpts of Alison Weir at Counterpunch questioning"
"Weir offers to have a cup of coffee when we're in the same neighborhood; I'd love to take her up on the offer."
*MW publishes Nima Shirazi a pro-IRI hezbollah fan: he once wrote a defense of the IRI strongly relying on Paul Craig Roberts a White supremacist who wrote positively of Burma's former junta.
shira
(30,109 posts)*Jack Ross a neo-nazi who used to write for the holocaust denial mag 'the barnes review' found a home at MW becoming part of the team. Philip Weiss the founder praised him as a man who writes "glorious" material "with the same fierce focus and concision" he makes it clear that they are close friends since he "was one of the first people to reach out to me on this site four years ago. We met at a chocolate bar near Union Square then at Junior's on Flatbush Avenue in Brooklyn. Jack was built like a lineman, with an Abe Lincoln beard, and was just 22 but if you shut your eyes and listened to him you would think he was 50." He stops just short of claiming that the goose stepper is "90 feet tall and his adventures are legendary" though Ross probably does think that the only good Chinaman is a dead Chinaman.
*MW supports and cites axis fan Justin Raimondo the same guy who thinks that fascist imperial Japan should have won the pacific war and that the Poles were to blame for the holocaust.
*The site has nothing but kind words for Helen Thomas.
*MW published a "homage" to the totalitarian bigot Alexander Cockburn who published blood libels and CP recently published a homage to Pol Pot written by neo-Nazi Israel Shamir which denies the Cambodian genocide.
*Marc Ellis made a rancid incoherent argument claiming that Jews "sell the holocaust" playing in stereotypes about Jews by claiming that they're so crafty that they'll exploit their own genocide! What idiocy. He also made another racist comment where he claimed that "“to speak of the Holocaust without confessing our sins towards the Palestinian people and seeking a real justice with them is a hypocrisy that debases us as Jews" he's the worst christian since the guy who came up with veggie tales.
shira
(30,109 posts)Totalitarianism:
An apologist's mission is to teleport the blame for actions off the shoulders of the responsible party and onto another party which is what neo-nazi Jack Ross does in an MW article that sounds like a parody of Pat Buchanan least lucid moments. From 'On the neocons’ Munich comparisons':
"When considering the idea that Israel will be "the new Czechoslovakia", we must remember that Czechoslovakia, like Israel, was a state that should never have come into existence. "
So MW doesn't think that Israel has any right to exist.
"And with respect to "appeasement" generally, World War II did not begin because Chamberlain "appeased" Hitler at Munich. On the contrary, Chamberlain had a Wilsonian/neocon conceit to intervene there in the first place, and once he had done so decided he could regulate Hitler's designs by giving the war guarantee to Poland. To repeat - it was not the appeasement, but the internationalist hubris and bellicosity - of Chamberlain which started World War II."
Blaming the oldest parliamentary democracy for the actions of one of the most heinous states in history is nothing more than nazi apologia the paragraph is nothing more than neo-nazi fiction which finds forum and support at mondo weiss. One of the few MW fans with a conscience wrote:
"in other words world war II began, not because hitler invaded poland, but because britian declared war on germany?!! you're nuts! or jack ross is nuts! go join pat buchanan in a rendition of deutschland uber alles!"
Thats right even a regular poster on a hate filled comments sections MW published nazi apologia.
shira
(30,109 posts)"Mamdani’s book is not addressed to
victims of violence everywhere
(or, anything
else which might have salvaged his moral
credibility), but, to those fighting for
an independent African Union. He has
done more than just about any other
intellectual to downplay the atrocities in
Darfur, and while I am not in a position
to question his motives, it seems likely
that Omar al-Bashir and his government
in Khartoum would regard the author as
the closest thing they have to an ally in a
North American university.
Nowhere in the entire book the figure
of 2.7 million is mentioned. That is the 2.7
million Darfuris who have been internally
displaced by the fighting. Meanwhile,
Mamdani does his best to make a case for
ludicrously low estimates of mortality
figures in Darfur – little more than a few
hundred a month after the worst period
of fighting ended in 2005 – while brushing
off the figures reported by human rights
groups and experts such as Eric Reeves,
which put the death toll between 300,000
and 400,000."
http://www.scribd.com/doc/53743372/Khartoum-s-best-friend
Thats what MW has endorsed making them fans of the Sudanese regime. They also made that post in 2009 most Sudanese apologia paints an image of cabals (picture amnesty international in robes and you have the idea) using human rights to start war. Apart from the obvious idiocy of that claim (the last thing the US would want is to get involved in a Sudan war) making it in 2009 when any window for intervention had passed only makes Mamdani and his fans seem even more immoral and fallacious. Other articles worry that its just an Israeli conspiracy and an excuse for racism against Arabs certain articles praise Mamdani and condemn those who disagree with him.
Remember MW literally doesn't think Israel has any right to exist and that Israeli leaders should be tried for war crimes (which is hypocritical since they don't support the same for Arab war criminals). Yet posts about Darfur on their site make it very clear that they think the Sudanese regime has every right to exist and they don't think that Omar Bashir should be sent to the hague. One article written in praise of Sudanophie Mamdani argues that "by pursuing Sudan’s president, Omar al-Bashir, for war crimes, the International Criminal Court is making a settlement less likely, because al-Bashir is an indispensable part of the peace process." [font color = "red"]To make that rancid sentence more damning it was written by no other than MW's founder Phil Weiss who doesn't call the Darfur genocide genocide: he puts the g-word in quotes. [/font]The comments were an open sewer but one single astute person posted "Amazing. It would seem that Mamdani just proved the palestinian claims to be the same bullshit." While I support Palestinian self determination he has a point, if we accept Mamdani's arguments then the Palestinians certainly have no case.
shira
(30,109 posts)Anti-Tibetan Racism:
Teddy doesn't seem to like Buddhists much he describes the Dalai Lama in language that makes the PRC's lingo seem tame. He dives into the waters of neo-colonialism by ranting about the "peerless theocratic barbarism of his clerical antecedents in Tibet whose rule was marked by torture, amputations and serfdom." Describing one of the oldest and richest cultures that way is racism that should disgust anyone with a conscience, its actually worse than the views of classic colonists many of whom praised Hindu and Berber cultures.
Apologists/supporters of PRC rule in Tibet justify it by arguing that Tibet is an inferior hell populated by subhumans too inferior to rule themselves; if they were in the 1920s they would probably be arguing that Congolese are cannibalistic hordes who need Belgium's gentle hand. Its a stomach churning exercise in sociopathy where obscure intellectually deformed troglodytes portray an ancient culture as inferior superstition that should be wiped out and replaced by China soul crushing brand of totalitarianism. By writing his article Teddy has joined men who lack conscience and character in supporting colonial rule and the eradication of a culture and religion using the oldest type of colonial propaganda that tars a people and their entire history as inferior.
Besides his claims about Tibet are not even true; it was remarkably advanced with no death penalty, with great art, free available education through monasteries, it wasn't nearly as autocratic as pre-colonial China, Women had a remarkably high status (far higher than in modern Palestine or any of the other regimes MW supports) and had a very small unfree population. A study of Tibet does not reveal a hell of "theocratic barbarism" or "torture" but one of the richest and oldest cultures on earth, that will survive both Chinese totalitarianism and the impotent racist rants of obscure curs with keyboards lashing out at a grand country that they do not have the intelligence to even comprehend. People like Teddy are so deformed in mind and filled with hate that they attack things greater than themselves or their facile identities.
https://www.studentsforafreetibet.org/get-involved/action-toolbox/a-lie-repeated-the-far-left2019s-flawed-history-of-tibet
Ted's source for that Maoist bit of hyperbole is 'dissident voice' a hate site that denies the Rwanda genocide which is proof of nothing but Teddy (and MW's) racism. The author of the DV piece is Gearóid Ó Colmáin a stalinist who supports Chinese colonial rule in Tibet, denies the Rwanda genocide, praises Stalin on his execrable blog and every regime he can find, apart from being the worst thing to come out of Eire since riverdance. Colmain is not a historian in fact I doubt he's capable of learning or possessing important skills or knowledge, maybe next time Ted can cite Jeff Rense on the Nanking massacre.
Gearoid's bio informs the reader that he "is a member of Pôle de renaissance communiste en France (PRCF) a political movement which advocates Marxism-Leninism and the formation of a revolutionary communist party in France" its almost enough to make one think that the people at fuckfrance.com have a point. Colmain describes Maoist autocratic rule in Tibet as a process that brought Tibet "from serfdom to people's democracy" and claims that the Dalai Lama had "connections with nazism" rancid filth from an obviously diseased mind. If Carlos the jackal had a blog, Gearoid's articles would make Ilich Ramírez Sánchez's ramblings seem intelligent by comparison.
He describes Tibetan protesters as savages who smashed "skulls" while presenting Chinese police as heroes. In Colmain's festering excuse for a brain Tibetan self-immolations are "barbarous acts" of "terrorism and violence" he claims that coverage of said acts prove only "western moral degeneracy" (which is as hilarious as being called a slut by Linda Lovelace) its some of the heinous anti-Tibetan racism I've ever read, which is endorsed by Teddy bore and mondo weiss who obviously agree with it. So that makes mondo weiss and Theodore racists who support of colonial rule in Tibet with an article on a fringe hate site written by a Stalinist maniac; so criticism of Harris from them is a moot point, they have no moral high ground or any ethics at all.
Little Tich
(6,171 posts)Your arguments don't make much sense the way they're presented.
shira
(30,109 posts)- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/01/american-jewish-committee-agent-tries-to-dig-up-anti-semitic-dirt-in-a-german-refugee-housing-block#sthash.imfQsSq3.dpuf
shira
(30,109 posts)The answer is obvious. Abbas did not know that the the poisoning water story was debunked.
See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2016/06/accusations-against-amplify/#sthash.HvUN1dnf.dpuf
shira
(30,109 posts)It is not an accident that equipment frequently used by the Israeli military for (read Palestinian) crowd control, such as tear gas grenades, triple chaser gas canisters, stun grenades and LRAD (long-range acoustic devices), are now part of the US police force armamentarium. This was all exacerbated when the Pentagon and Home Land Security offered surplus military grade equipment to local law enforcement as well. While the carnage in our cities is certainly related to our own history of slavery and modern day racism and lack of gun control, and a host of societal forces, having a police force influenced and trained by an occupying military force that sees another group of brown people (Arabs) as the enemy has certainly heightened the issue. The Israelis have exported their arms, homeland security, and policing “expertise” to places like India, Canada, and China, but the US has as always been their best customer; the parallels between white racism and Jewish supremacy flourish here and abroad.
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/modern-lynchings-international/
For the dimwitted antisemitic Jack-Asses who believe every Fucking moronic anti-Jewish conspiracy theory dating back to ancient Jews killing Jesus, this is like racists blaming Japan and Korea for anyone killed by Karate or Tae Kwon Do. What's next? Maybe the United Nations blamed for Black Lives Matter because they trained police too. Well, only if the UN employed Jews to do so...
ericson00
(2,707 posts)shira
(30,109 posts)
http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/terror-suspects-lawyer-stanley-cohen-rants-prison-sentence-n228656
Stanley Cohen's latest articles at Mondoweiss:
http://mondoweiss.net/2016/07/israel-cant-win/
http://mondoweiss.net/2014/09/achieving-hudna-israelpalestine/
shira
(30,109 posts)Mondoweiss clearly supports car rammings, knifing Jews, etc...
Activism Palestinian BDS National Committee on October 13, 2015 68 Comments
Whether the current phase of Israel’s intensified repression and Palestinian popular resistance will evolve into a full-fledged intifada or not, one thing is already evident—a new generation of Palestinians is marching on the footsteps of previous generations, rising up en masse against Israel’s brutal, decades-old regime of occupation, settler colonialism and apartheid.
http://mondoweiss.net/2015/10/solidarity-palestinian-resistance/
shira
(30,109 posts)Phil Weiss justifying and defending terror vs. Jews...
- See more at: http://mondoweiss.net/2014/08/palestinian-resistance-occupation/#sthash.1q1I5RVu.dpuf
Lithos
(26,451 posts)It's over a year old (original post)
@Shira - Please start a new post with new links which can refer/link back to points you make here. But to resurrect this old post is not helpful.
Lithos