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Related: About this forumHybot unveils hydrogen-powered heavy duty truck in Guangdong province, China
Hybot unveils its H49 truck in Guangzhou, Guangdong province, on Nov 12, 2023. [Photo provided to chinadaily.com.cn]
Hybot unveils hydrogen-powered heavy duty truck
ChinaDaily.com.cn | 2023-12-13
Hybot, a hydrogen fuel cell commercial vehicle maker, unveiled its H49 heavy duty truck on Tuesday.
It is the world's first heavy duty truck that can run for over 1,000 km on gaseous hydrogen, said the Guangdong province-based company.
Hybot said the H49, which has a futuristic design, features innovative breakthroughs in such aspects as energy efficiency, mileage and durability.
The comprehensive efficiency of the models fuel cell system is 20 percent higher than rivals and the fuel consumption of the model with the full load stands at as low as 8 kg per 100 km.
Sun Ying, CEO of Hybot, said the company's next-generation model will see its hydrogen consumption to fall to below 7.5 kg per 100 km. more
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202312/13/WS6579278da31040ac301a78d2.html
99.9 % of Americans have absolutely no idea that China is currently taking over the hydrogen industry, let alone that there is even a company called "HYBOT". In fact, most Californians have no idea that there are even hydrogen cars driving around the state. Could THIS have anything to do with this stunning ignorance of the existing hydrogen industry?
Reminder- While China was taking over the Solar Energy Industry 15 or so years ago this is what the US was all about
Think. Again.
(17,930 posts)NickB79
(19,621 posts)Based on this DU post, it would cost $1193 per 1000 km in Germany, using 8 kg/100 kilometers.
$2880 per 1000 km in California.
Diesel at $5/gal would be a steal at $450 per 1000 km.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127171267#post3
OKIsItJustMe
(20,736 posts)The first Energy Earthshot, launched June 7, 2021Hydrogen Shotseeks to reduce the cost of clean hydrogen by 80% to $1 per 1 kilogram in 1 decade ("1 1 1 ).
The Hydrogen Shot establishes a framework and foundation for clean hydrogen deployment in the American Jobs Plan, which includes support for demonstration projects. Industries are beginning to implement clean hydrogen to reduce emissions, yet many hurdles remain to deploying it at scale. Currently, hydrogen from renewable energy costs about $5 per kilogram. Achieving the Hydrogen Shots 80% cost reduction goal can unlock new markets for hydrogen, including steel manufacturing, clean ammonia, energy storage, and heavy-duty trucks. This would create more clean energy jobs, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and position America to compete in the clean energy market on a global scale. These efforts would ensure that environmental protection and benefits for local communities are a priority.
The DoE considers 1 kg of hydrogen to be roughly equivalent to 1 gallon of gasoline, so, at $5/kg even now, hydrogen is not all that expensive a fill-up.
https://epact.energy.gov/fuel-conversion-factors
NickB79
(19,621 posts)The link I shared shows real-world fuel station hydrogen retailing for $36/kg in California and $14/kg in Germany. Where can you purchase hydrogen at $5/kg?
OKIsItJustMe
(20,736 posts)By Emma Penrod
Dive Brief:
- The cost of electrolytic hydrogen from renewable energy spiked as high as $16.80/kg in late July, three times recent price norms, according to S&P Global Commodity Insights.
- Because hydrogen must be derived from inputs such as natural gas or renewable electricity, the cost of hydrogen rises alongside these resources, according to Alan Hayes, head of energy transition pricing for S&P Global Commodity Insights. Surging energy costs in the Electric Reliability Council of Texas market have driven the largest hydrogen price hikes, Hayes said.
- In spite of recent price trends, long-term interest in hydrogen as an alternative energy resource continues to grow, according to Brian Murphy, a senior analyst covering hydrogen and low carbon fuels for S&P Global Commodity Insights.
The cost of hydrogen from U.S. electrolyzers shot up to $16.80/kg in July as a result of energy price hikes that took place in the ERCOT market during a heatwave between July 6 and July 12, according to data from S&P Global Commodity Insights. Electrolytic hydrogen is derived from water and electricity, especially excess renewable energy, to create a carbon-free fuel source. This means hydrogen prices fluctuate alongside electricity prices, Murphy said.
NickB79
(19,621 posts)To cost $16/kg to produce but sell for $36/kg.
Hydrogen cost $13.14/kg in California in 2021 when this station opened, before the 2023 price surge. If hydrogen cost $5/kg then for production, that's a similar markup.
https://h2fcp.org/blog/studio-city-hydrogen-station-opens
OKIsItJustMe
(20,736 posts)25 September 2023 12:07 GMT UPDATED 25 September 2023 12:26 GMT
By Polly Martin
The biggest factor behind the rise in cost is simply that the upstream renewables for hydrogen production are highly exposed to increases in the cost of capital.
We are seeing kind of a challenge because renewables cost, capex is increasing, said Sopna Sury, chief operating officer for hydrogen at German utility RWE, although she notes that once the renewables plants are actually up and running, there is a marginal cost of zero.
While this means that green hydrogen is better shielded than grey or blue H₂ from spikes in gas prices which last year led to some projections putting the cost of electrolysis below traditional steam methane reforming it also means that renewable H₂ is more likely to get much more expensive with rising inflation.
We also see in our projects some increasing capex numbers unfortunately, German energy firm Unipers CEO for hydrogen Axel Wietfeld admitted in a separate presentation at the conference.
NNadir
(34,659 posts)In China, hydrogen is overwhelmingly made from the steam reformation of coal, a very dirty process that drives climate change through exergy destruction.
Of course, fossil fuel interests are very, very, very fond of hydrogen, since it allows them to greenwash their filthy products at the expense of all humanity.