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Caribbeans

(975 posts)
Wed Dec 13, 2023, 08:54 PM Dec 2023

Hybot unveils hydrogen-powered heavy duty truck in Guangdong province, China


Hybot unveils its H49 truck in Guangzhou, Guangdong province, on Nov 12, 2023. [Photo provided to chinadaily.com.cn]

Hybot unveils hydrogen-powered heavy duty truck

ChinaDaily.com.cn | 2023-12-13

Hybot, a hydrogen fuel cell commercial vehicle maker, unveiled its H49 heavy duty truck on Tuesday.

It is the world's first heavy duty truck that can run for over 1,000 km on gaseous hydrogen, said the Guangdong province-based company.

Hybot said the H49, which has a futuristic design, features innovative breakthroughs in such aspects as energy efficiency, mileage and durability.

The comprehensive efficiency of the model’s fuel cell system is 20 percent higher than rivals and the fuel consumption of the model with the full load stands at as low as 8 kg per 100 km.

Sun Ying, CEO of Hybot, said the company's next-generation model will see its hydrogen consumption to fall to below 7.5 kg per 100 km. more
https://www.chinadaily.com.cn/a/202312/13/WS6579278da31040ac301a78d2.html

99.9 % of Americans have absolutely no idea that China is currently taking over the hydrogen industry, let alone that there is even a company called "HYBOT". In fact, most Californians have no idea that there are even hydrogen cars driving around the state. Could THIS have anything to do with this stunning ignorance of the existing hydrogen industry?

Reminder- While China was taking over the Solar Energy Industry 15 or so years ago this is what the US was all about

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Hybot unveils hydrogen-powered heavy duty truck in Guangdong province, China (Original Post) Caribbeans Dec 2023 OP
K&R Think. Again. Dec 2023 #1
That's a damn expensive fill up! NickB79 Dec 2023 #2
DoE: Hydrogen Shot OKIsItJustMe Dec 2023 #3
But it doesn't retail for $5/kg now NickB79 Dec 2023 #4
Looks like a temporary thing OKIsItJustMe Dec 2023 #5
So a 220% markup from production cost to final product? NickB79 Dec 2023 #7
HydrogenInsight: Cost of green hydrogen unlikely to fall 'dramatically' in coming years, admit developers OKIsItJustMe Dec 2023 #6
Well, this is one way for China to power trucks with coal. NNadir Dec 2023 #8

NickB79

(19,621 posts)
2. That's a damn expensive fill up!
Fri Dec 15, 2023, 07:42 PM
Dec 2023

Based on this DU post, it would cost $1193 per 1000 km in Germany, using 8 kg/100 kilometers.

$2880 per 1000 km in California.

Diesel at $5/gal would be a steal at $450 per 1000 km.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1127171267#post3

OKIsItJustMe

(20,736 posts)
3. DoE: Hydrogen Shot
Fri Dec 15, 2023, 09:12 PM
Dec 2023
https://www.energy.gov/eere/fuelcells/hydrogen-shot


The first Energy Earthshot, launched June 7, 2021—Hydrogen Shot—seeks to reduce the cost of clean hydrogen by 80% to $1 per 1 kilogram in 1 decade ("1 1 1” ).

The Hydrogen Shot establishes a framework and foundation for clean hydrogen deployment in the American Jobs Plan, which includes support for demonstration projects. Industries are beginning to implement clean hydrogen to reduce emissions, yet many hurdles remain to deploying it at scale. Currently, hydrogen from renewable energy costs about $5 per kilogram. Achieving the Hydrogen Shot’s 80% cost reduction goal can unlock new markets for hydrogen, including steel manufacturing, clean ammonia, energy storage, and heavy-duty trucks. This would create more clean energy jobs, reduce greenhouse gas emissions, and position America to compete in the clean energy market on a global scale. These efforts would ensure that environmental protection and benefits for local communities are a priority.



The DoE considers 1 kg of hydrogen to be roughly equivalent to 1 gallon of gasoline, so, at $5/kg even now, hydrogen is not all that expensive a fill-up.

https://epact.energy.gov/fuel-conversion-factors

NickB79

(19,621 posts)
4. But it doesn't retail for $5/kg now
Fri Dec 15, 2023, 09:37 PM
Dec 2023

The link I shared shows real-world fuel station hydrogen retailing for $36/kg in California and $14/kg in Germany. Where can you purchase hydrogen at $5/kg?

OKIsItJustMe

(20,736 posts)
5. Looks like a temporary thing
Fri Dec 15, 2023, 10:20 PM
Dec 2023
Green hydrogen prices have nearly tripled as energy costs climb: S&P
Published July 21, 2022

By Emma Penrod

Dive Brief:
  • The cost of electrolytic hydrogen from renewable energy spiked as high as $16.80/kg in late July, three times recent price norms, according to S&P Global Commodity Insights.

  • Because hydrogen must be derived from inputs such as natural gas or renewable electricity, the cost of hydrogen rises alongside these resources, according to Alan Hayes, head of energy transition pricing for S&P Global Commodity Insights. Surging energy costs in the Electric Reliability Council of Texas market have driven the largest hydrogen price hikes, Hayes said.

  • In spite of recent price trends, long-term interest in hydrogen as an alternative energy resource continues to grow, according to Brian Murphy, a senior analyst covering hydrogen and low carbon fuels for S&P Global Commodity Insights.


The cost of hydrogen from U.S. electrolyzers shot up to $16.80/kg in July as a result of energy price hikes that took place in the ERCOT market during a heatwave between July 6 and July 12, according to data from S&P Global Commodity Insights. Electrolytic hydrogen is derived from water and electricity, especially excess renewable energy, to create a carbon-free fuel source. This means hydrogen prices fluctuate alongside electricity prices, Murphy said.

NickB79

(19,621 posts)
7. So a 220% markup from production cost to final product?
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 07:03 AM
Dec 2023

To cost $16/kg to produce but sell for $36/kg.

Hydrogen cost $13.14/kg in California in 2021 when this station opened, before the 2023 price surge. If hydrogen cost $5/kg then for production, that's a similar markup.

https://h2fcp.org/blog/studio-city-hydrogen-station-opens

OKIsItJustMe

(20,736 posts)
6. HydrogenInsight: Cost of green hydrogen unlikely to fall 'dramatically' in coming years, admit developers
Fri Dec 15, 2023, 10:28 PM
Dec 2023
Cost of green hydrogen unlikely to fall 'dramatically' in coming years, admit developers
Renewable H₂ costs are actually increasing in the short term due to increased capex and shortages in electrolyser manufacturing capacity

25 September 2023 12:07 GMT UPDATED 25 September 2023 12:26 GMT
By Polly Martin



The biggest factor behind the rise in cost is simply that the upstream renewables for hydrogen production are highly exposed to increases in the cost of capital.

“We are seeing… kind of a challenge because renewables cost, capex is increasing,” said Sopna Sury, chief operating officer for hydrogen at German utility RWE, although she notes that once the renewables plants are actually up and running, there is a “marginal cost of zero”.

While this means that green hydrogen is better shielded than grey or blue H₂ from spikes in gas prices — which last year led to some projections putting the cost of electrolysis below traditional steam methane reforming — it also means that renewable H₂ is more likely to get much more expensive with rising inflation.

“We also see in our projects some increasing capex numbers unfortunately,” German energy firm Uniper’s CEO for hydrogen Axel Wietfeld admitted in a separate presentation at the conference.

NNadir

(34,659 posts)
8. Well, this is one way for China to power trucks with coal.
Sat Dec 16, 2023, 09:25 AM
Dec 2023

In China, hydrogen is overwhelmingly made from the steam reformation of coal, a very dirty process that drives climate change through exergy destruction.

Of course, fossil fuel interests are very, very, very fond of hydrogen, since it allows them to greenwash their filthy products at the expense of all humanity.

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