Education
Related: About this forumDiane Ravitch: School privatization is a hoax, “reformers” aim to destroy public schools
http://www.salon.com/2013/09/15/diane_ravitch_school_privatization_is_a_hoax_reformers_aim_to_destroy_public_schools/Excerpted from "Reign of Error: The Hoax of the Privatization Movement and the Danger to Americas Public Schools"
As long as anyone can remember, critics have been saying that the schools are in decline. They used to be the best in the world, they say, but no longer. They used to have real standards, but no longer. They used to have discipline, but no longer. What the critics seldom acknowledge is that our schools have changed as our society has changed. Some who look longingly to a golden age in the past remember a time when the schools educated only a small fraction of the population.
But the students in the college-bound track of fifty years ago did not get the high quality of education that is now typical in public schools with Advanced Placement courses or International Baccalaureate programs or even in the regular courses offered in our top city and suburban schools. There are more remedial classes today, but there are also more public school students with special needs, more students who dont read English, more students from troubled families, and fewer students dropping out. As for discipline, it bears remembering a 1955 film called Blackboard Jungle, about an unruly, violent inner-city school where students bullied other students. The students in this school were all white. Today, public schools are often the safest places for children in tough neighborhoods.
The claim that the public schools are in decline is not new. In his Pulitzer Prize-winning book Anti-intellectualism in American Life, Richard Hofstadter characterized writing on education in the United States as a literature of acid criticism and bitter complaint . . . The educational jeremiad is as much a feature of our literature as the jeremiad in the Puritan sermons. From the 1820s to our own time, reformers have complained about low standards, ignorant teachers, and incompetent school boards. He noted that anyone longing for the good old days would have difficulty finding a time when critics were not bemoaning the quality of the public schools.
There is a tendency nowadays to hark back with nostalgia to the mythical good old days, usually imagined as about forty or fifty years ago. But few people seem to realize there never was a time when everyone succeeded in school. When present-day critics refer to what they assume was a better past, they look back to a time when a large proportion of American youths did not complete high school and only a small minority completed four years of college. In those supposedly halcyon days, the schools in many states were racially segregated, as were most colleges and universities. Children with disabilities did not have a right to a free public education until after the passage of federal legislation in 1975 and were often excluded from public schools. Nor did schools enroll significant numbers of non-English-speaking students in the 1940s and 1950s or even the 1960s. Immigration laws restricted the admission of foreigners to the United States from the early 1920s until the mid-1960s. After the laws were changed, the schools began to enroll students from Latin America, Asia, the Middle East, Russia, Africa, and other parts of the world that had previously arrived in small numbers.
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gopiscrap
(24,170 posts)was voted on. In fact she said that there has been a national narrative that TPTB have been seeping into our national conversation ever since the teacher unions have gotten powerful which was in the early to mid 70's
LWolf
(46,179 posts)It's worth every inch of text and every bit of the time spent reading.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)They know what she says... and the less-unhinged members know that she's right... but they'd rather not think about it.
Now if we could get Mr. Obama himself to take *one* day, ( He can do it; he's that smart) maybe two (if it's an 'off the chart' red alert period at the WH) to read Reign of Error from beginning to end.... then we'd have something.
He could learn so MUCH.
Alas... he remains a tabula rasa, a void, an empty vessel; as completely unschooled and clueless on this subject as he was the day he came in.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Getting it pinned.
Currently, one is determined to argue me to the ground about defense spending vs education spending. The cognitive dissonance is truly staggering.
Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)Nope, not doing it.
Smarmie Doofus
(14,498 posts)"Yeeerrrrr *Yelllaaahhh* !!
Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)I'm a delicate flower! lololol
warrant46
(2,205 posts)LOL
Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)This is a juicy excerpt.
LWolf
(46,179 posts)Squinch
(52,746 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)I have nothing against Charter (Private) schools,
as long as they do NOT receive one red cent of OUR money.
If somebody wants a "Charter School",
let them fund it from PRIVATE sources.
The USA already has a Public School System.
If it is broken,
it is OUR responsibility to FIX it,
NOT steal money from it.
Democrats_win
(6,539 posts)This quote is from the 50-year anniversary of the MLK speech ceremony.
They need to make the public school system great.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)Gov101
(28 posts)But even if the reformers and pro-privatization people are at times ignorantly misled in their demands to go back to a better educational system, I don't believe that's really the basis of their arguments. They do want to destroy public education based on the idea that more individual choice into the system will make it better. Market solutions may or may not be incorrect but efforts to dismiss them as a hoax or to falsely focus on the alleged importance of straw man historical arguments isn't actually as good of an argument as some of you seem to think it is. That being said, is a great history lesson and she has long done excellent work in summing up the story of our countries educational reform efforts.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)These people are opposed to public education because it is public. Period.
"Market solutions" are INAPPROPRIATE FOR SERVICES THAT ARE CONSIDERED A PUBLIC GOOD.
Stop with the dishonesty.
Gov101
(28 posts)For example you seem to think I stated some opinion or made some claims about education. Instead I was suggesting that the article in the OP could do a better job at addressing the real arguments raised by the anti-public education crowd.
Starry Messenger
(32,375 posts)One assumes the rest of the information comes later. In the book.
WovenGems
(776 posts)Many conservatives believe that if public schools fall then it will be easier to get religion into publicly funded private schools.