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proud2BlibKansan

(96,793 posts)
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 01:56 PM Sep 2013

The renewed war on the veteran teacher

Last Wednesday, my son, like so many youngsters around the country, began his second year of instruction at a local middle school tucked away in suburban southern California. Though the name and the exact location have changed, it is essentially the same middle school that both my wife and I attended roughly a quarter-century ago.
By and large, the names and faces of the faculty have changed since the (ahem) late 1980s. But, there has been one constant, and my wife and I could not have been happier to see that my son's 7th grade social studies teacher was, indeed, the same woman who had taught both of us all those years ago.

Indeed, she has been doing so for over a half century now. Yes ... you read the preceding sentence correctly.

When she hit the 50-year mark last year, there was a torrent of praise in the community. Deservedly so. After all, how many lives in this town of 30,000 or so had been enriched by her lifelong commitment to children and education?

Alas, not everyone feels that way. Indeed, the level of respect afforded to those who have devoted their adult lives to the education of children has diminished to the point that the prevailing zeitgeist suggests that comparably junior members of the profession are somehow inherently superior to their more experienced colleagues.

more . . . http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/09/01/1234916/-The-renewed-war-on-the-veteran-teacher?showAll=yes#

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The renewed war on the veteran teacher (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Sep 2013 OP
I remember the older teachers that I had. Downwinder Sep 2013 #1
That negative attitude towards veterans makes many good teachers retire before they should. charmay Sep 2013 #2
It's all about fucking money gopiscrap Sep 2013 #3
Most definitely warrant46 Nov 2013 #6
do you mean undocumented workers? gopiscrap Nov 2013 #7
Teachers are my heroes Link Speed Sep 2013 #4
Having been LWolf Sep 2013 #5
The "reformers" won't be happy DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #8
And the reformers are likely getting kickbacks from Pearson while doing so - TBF Dec 2013 #9
Thank you, TBF. DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #10
I look forward to hearing TBF Dec 2013 #11
I'm taking care of other people's kids. DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #12
Yes - TBF Dec 2013 #13
Parental support helps a lot - DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #14
Oh I have no illusions about immunity - TBF Dec 2013 #15
Three Unions Equal No Union DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #19
You've hit the nail on the head. Teachers are at the total mercy of principals. duffyduff Dec 2013 #16
I had a good principal and DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #18
Few teachers today last anywhere near that long because of age discrimination duffyduff Dec 2013 #17
Old teachers DamnYankeeInHouston Dec 2013 #20
 

Link Speed

(650 posts)
4. Teachers are my heroes
Sun Sep 1, 2013, 04:38 PM
Sep 2013

Due to geography, I was never able to attend school - not one single day, but I did quite well in life.

When my sons entered school, I was Volunteer Dad and was able to observe, close-up, teachers' daily travails. I used to wish that the rest of the parents had any clue as to what teachers are up against, every day.

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
5. Having been
Mon Sep 2, 2013, 02:10 PM
Sep 2013

removed from site and district leadership groups because I'm perceived as "old school," I relate.

"Old school," in my case, meant that I didn't embrace current education reforms.

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
8. The "reformers" won't be happy
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 01:49 AM
Dec 2013

Last edited Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:16 PM - Edit history (1)

until ''teachers" are minimum wage workers watching fifty students each on computers.

TBF

(34,316 posts)
9. And the reformers are likely getting kickbacks from Pearson while doing so -
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 09:48 AM
Dec 2013

the state of Texas has paid billions to that company (Pearson LLP - in London) for the standardized testing of the past decade.

I have no problem with accountability - and it seemed like the Stanford Binet tests that we took once every year or two were helpful for the teachers to gauge where students were - but this has gotten out of hand.

And you are absolutely correct. It's not only a corporate money grab but also a thinly disguised attempt to break the teachers' unions.

Welcome to DU

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
10. Thank you, TBF.
Sat Dec 7, 2013, 07:52 PM
Dec 2013

I have been a lurking DU reader for ten years. Now that I'm retired, I actually have time to put my two cents in.

TBF

(34,316 posts)
11. I look forward to hearing
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 09:18 AM
Dec 2013

more from you ! And congratulations on the retirement (I am home taking care of my kids so sort of the same - only a lot of driving. Back and forth to school and activities ...)

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
12. I'm taking care of other people's kids.
Sun Dec 8, 2013, 06:43 PM
Dec 2013

After teaching in HoustonISD for 33 years, I now have the world's smallest preschool in my house; only four students. I am in heaven. I had planned to teach many more years, but couldn't handle the mounting teacher abuse or bear to be involved in the destruction of public schools. I worry about all those I left behind. I can't see how any young teacher today can last 33 years, but, I guess that is the plan.

Are your kids in school?

TBF

(34,316 posts)
13. Yes -
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 07:52 AM
Dec 2013

one in elementary and one in middle (public schools - we are in the suburbs). We are fortunate to be in an area where parents give a lot (both in time & $$$) to help out. I wish it could be like that everywhere.

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
14. Parental support helps a lot -
Mon Dec 9, 2013, 11:15 PM
Dec 2013

but is not always enough. I had tons of support from my parents, fantastic students a good principal, but that couldn't make up for the predator administrators out to attack teachers and the layers of new policies making it absolutely impossible to do the job. I wonder how a suburban school district can be immune when public education across the whole country seems to be under siege.

HISD superintendent Greer told the principals that he was unhappy with the district's 11% teacher turn over rate. He wanted it to be more like the 31% rate of charter schools. That about summed it up for me - putting school in crisis mode for your business buddies.

TBF

(34,316 posts)
15. Oh I have no illusions about immunity -
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 07:44 AM
Dec 2013

we have been able to run funding campaigns to buy things for teachers/the school but we have no control over staffing, standardized testing, class size, etc ...

The teachers unions are the target - it will be minimum wage at best just like so many other industries they have targeted for their own profit.

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
19. Three Unions Equal No Union
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 09:57 PM
Dec 2013

Houston will have little trouble busting unions because we essentially never had any. I was a member of two out of the tree union here. Multiple unions were allowed to weaken teachers' power.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
16. You've hit the nail on the head. Teachers are at the total mercy of principals.
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 11:54 AM
Dec 2013

Until recently, it was almost impossible to get rid of principals, who have been backed to the hilt by school districts. Now they are being targeted, and they don't like it, but they got away with murder for too long.

Still, districts overall give them second, third, fourth, fifth, sixth, and seventh chances by moving them around when they screw up. The same is true for higher-level administrators.

The biggest mistake teachers ever make is thinking they have rights, let alone job security. They don't, and they never have. Teacher dumpings are just more visible now.

DamnYankeeInHouston

(1,365 posts)
18. I had a good principal and
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 09:55 PM
Dec 2013

I still retired prematurely. She was the first good principal I had in 33 years of teaching. She tried to protect us, but her job was also on the line. The principals are told that each year, they must put so many teacher on growth plans which is the first step towards termination.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
17. Few teachers today last anywhere near that long because of age discrimination
Tue Dec 10, 2013, 11:56 AM
Dec 2013

and the desire to cheat teachers out of pension benefits and higher salaries.

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