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Bill Gates is wrong (Original Post) proud2BlibKansan Jul 2013 OP
About so many things. n/t DirkGently Jul 2013 #1
Bill Gates thinks he knows everything. MichiganVote Jul 2013 #2
Because he can buy everything. proud2BlibKansan Jul 2013 #3
Precisely. Not the first rich powerful guy with self indulgent social engineering ideas. MichiganVote Jul 2013 #4
for sure !! warrant46 Aug 2013 #8
Bill Gates is an arrogant, chervilant Jul 2013 #5
Both are broken. Igel Jul 2013 #6
Bill Gate$ and the Micro$oft Money Machine Tagurrit Aug 2013 #7
The one thing I like about Bill Gates' Ed policy Nevernose Aug 2013 #9
yet he's giving boatloads of money to charter schools and other manifestations of education HiPointDem Aug 2013 #10
Bill Gates doesn't know what he is talking about. duffyduff Aug 2013 #11
I agree wholeheartedly Nevernose Aug 2013 #12
You know what "they" say about broken clocks duffyduff Aug 2013 #13

chervilant

(8,267 posts)
5. Bill Gates is an arrogant,
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 12:32 PM
Jul 2013

patronizing pipsqueak, who apparently hasn't worked through his own self-esteem issues.

Igel

(36,087 posts)
6. Both are broken.
Thu Jul 4, 2013, 04:03 PM
Jul 2013

Fed ed policy's ridiculous.

But so much of what we're told to do, so many foolish ideas are passed off as wisdom, so many assumptions that we are expected to take into the classroom--and which teachers do take into the classroom--make Am ed broken.

Add in politicians, lawyers, school boards, education professors, and the stuff the kids like to be exposed to and, well, it's not just broken. It's laughable.

Then again, this is true of most other countries, as well.

Tagurrit

(7 posts)
7. Bill Gate$ and the Micro$oft Money Machine
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 01:15 AM
Aug 2013

Bill Gates had vision and talent and it didn't hurt to be from a wealthy family either. He nurtured that talent on the computer with time paid for by his school and family. The charge per hour at that time would have been ruinously expensive for an average person or family. He put his 10,000 hours in programming (read Malcolm Gladwell's books) and through luck and perseverance was in the right place at the right time to offer IBM a ready made “operating system” called DOS, written mostly by Tim Paterson, to IBM for $75,000. After lucking out with IBM and catching them off guard he proceeded to use the exclusivity of IBM, nee Microsoft's, operating system to leverage a stranglehold on the blooming computer industry. By buying or putting out of business smaller companies like Borland, Netscape, Ashton Tate, Lotus, Visicalc, Wordstar, Wordperfect and Fox (owned by Tim Paterson), to name just a few, he made computers both more interchangeable and less innovative. That hegemony lasted until recently with the proliferation of “smart” devices, which are now taking away the ubiquity of the desktop computer (see Micheal Dell). But the real issue was support. Microsoft developed a way around the need to support their own product by leaving support up to the OEM (original equipment manufacturers) many of whom came and went in the early days with startling rapidity. What that did was guarantee Micro$oft an overwhelming edge in the marketplace at the expense of the end user. Most of the physical support of Micro$oft products devolved to independent individuals and small companies fixing computers. What is overlooked is that it was impossible for a person in that position to charge their time on an hourly basis. Imagine if you will charging $75 an hour (a reasonable charge in a technical field) to individuals fixing their home computers when it might take 4-12 hours to find and repair many common problems that plagued Micro$oft in the early years (1980-2000)? In many cases the actual times spent, if charged, would have been more than a new computer cost, even in the 1980's when they were relatively expensive. Those unsung technicians gave millions of hours collectively to end users in the name of Micro$oft. Bill Gates is essentially giving billion dollar chunks of money away to charities of his choice that every independent technician who worked for free for Micro$oft earned. Sour grapes? Those technicians were between a rock and a hard place because the end users were friends, relatives or customers for their products. I think that LINUX and now iPhone and Android apps are the heir's to those technician's lack of a profit avenue. Today instead of all the money going to Micro$oft it's being spread around to individuals and small companies and it doesn't take a Malcolm Gladwell to see that innovation is on the rise. Had Micro$oft acted responsibly in 1980 where would computers be today? And as far as being jealous I'd never act that way in a million years. At least my greed, such as it is, knows bounds. In the end how many billion dollars is enough for any one person to get all to themselves? Not every billionaire is a rapacious blood sucking parasite but of the 1011 billionaires in the world today you've got to wonder who's at the head of the class.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
9. The one thing I like about Bill Gates' Ed policy
Tue Aug 6, 2013, 09:51 PM
Aug 2013

He was on an NPR show and said, "Class size doesn't matter. Studies clearly show effective teachers are more key than smaller class sizes."

Which causes the local right wingers to break out the pitchforks and torches.

What they choose to ignore is the second half of his quote, in which he says, "Of course, that breaks down after you put 25 or 30 kids in a class." His definition of "large" just happens to be different. I think back to the time I had 54 kids in a freshman English class. Forget having enough books, we didn't have enough chairs!

And the thing I like about him, educational policy-wise, is he refuses to give any aid to our very large school district. He says if the population doesn't value education enough to hire enough teachers, it's just money wasted. And I agree, big time.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
10. yet he's giving boatloads of money to charter schools and other manifestations of education
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 05:15 AM
Aug 2013

deform.

why is he giving that money? charter schools get money from the public coffers too.

he's a fucking liar is why. the reason he won't give any money to the school district is because he wants to bust unions and privatize education, & giving money to the district wouldn't further his goals.

also, the gates-funded research on class sizes doesn't say what you say he did.

 

duffyduff

(3,251 posts)
11. Bill Gates doesn't know what he is talking about.
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 09:59 AM
Aug 2013

It is impossible to define an "effective" teacher when it is up to the students to learn.

Why should he give districts money when there are strings attached? This asshole wants to turn all schools into online schools using HIS software.

That's where public education is headed in this country, and it is a disaster. The privatization shit MUST be stopped or we will have no country left.

Nevernose

(13,081 posts)
12. I agree wholeheartedly
Thu Aug 8, 2013, 01:19 PM
Aug 2013

It's just that, from a purely personal point of view, it's nice to hear that even education deformer Bill Fucking Gates thinks my class sizes are insane.

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