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(48,797 posts)
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 09:28 PM Jul 2023

America's Retirees Are Investing More Like 30-Year-Olds

Older Americans keep rolling the dice in the stock market, ignoring the conventional wisdom to protect their nest eggs by shifting more of their investments to bonds.

Nearly half of Vanguard 401(k) investors actively managing their money and over age 55 held more than 70% of their portfolios in stocks. In 2011, 38% did so. At Fidelity Investments, nearly four in 10 investors ages 65 to 69 hold about two-thirds or more of their portfolios in stocks. And it isn’t just baby boomers. In taxable brokerage accounts at Vanguard, one-fifth of investors 85 or older have nearly all their money in stocks, up from 16% in 2012. The same is true of almost a quarter of those ages 75 to 84.

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Many older investors remain bullish on stocks for one simple reason: returns. Since 1982, the S&P 500 has returned 10.1% a year, on average. That is significantly more than the index’s long-term average annual return of 7.4% a year since 1928, according to Dow Jones Market Data.

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As the beneficiaries of high stock-market returns, baby boomers tend to report a greater willingness to take financial risks than those who lived through the Great Depression, according to research by Ulrike Malmendier, a professor of economics and finance at the University of California, Berkeley, and Stefan Nagel, a professor of finance at the University of Chicago. In contrast to younger Americans, boomers are also more likely to take a do-it-yourself approach to managing their money. Among baby boomers with 401(k) accounts at Fidelity Investments, 53% pick their own investments, compared with 42% in Generation X and 25% of millennials.

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America's Retirees Are Investing More Like 30-Year-Olds (Original Post) question everything Jul 2023 OP
Millions of retirees know they don't have enough to make it to 95. Silent Type Jul 2023 #1
depends on what other assets they have Skittles Jul 2023 #2
My wife and I are a combined 140 years old BOSSHOG Jul 2023 #3
Right now can get 4.5% return on CD that you can buy for tour IARa or 401K on Vanguard. NoRethugFriends Jul 2023 #4
Passbook Savings rates are attractive BOSSHOG Jul 2023 #6
At 74, I just made a big change.. Joinfortmill Jul 2023 #5
Technology, demographics, liquidity, internet have created growth bucolic_frolic Jul 2023 #7

Skittles

(159,240 posts)
2. depends on what other assets they have
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 09:32 PM
Jul 2023

for example, if they can comfortably live without proceeds from their 401K, then there's no problem investing like a 30yr old

BOSSHOG

(39,836 posts)
3. My wife and I are a combined 140 years old
Fri Jul 7, 2023, 09:34 PM
Jul 2023

We are creeping out of the market and piling up the cash in the local bank on Main Street. Still got a little diversity but like the peace of mind. And now the interest statements every quarter on savings are nice.

BOSSHOG

(39,836 posts)
6. Passbook Savings rates are attractive
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 10:21 AM
Jul 2023

Not so for mortgages but way back when we paid that high rate to own a home. Economy goes up, economy goes down. Youngins have to be attuned and patient. Old folks not so much.

Joinfortmill

(16,382 posts)
5. At 74, I just made a big change..
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 07:31 AM
Jul 2023

Put half my money in FDIC insured money market account. Put the other half in S&P500 and let it roll.

bucolic_frolic

(46,973 posts)
7. Technology, demographics, liquidity, internet have created growth
Sat Jul 8, 2023, 03:55 PM
Jul 2023

The two problems we have are inflation and supply chain constraints. All components made in China is a worry. You buy when you see opportunity. No one is worried, and that should be a worry. Not even gold and silver are worried.

You can slice, dice, vivisect your targeted investments. 20 years ago you couldn't even understand them. You get the same advice with free asset allocation models online with your broker or advisors, or you can pay $2000 for boutique advice, or 3% annual fee for advisors, or 25% for a hedge fund if you can afford one, and aren't there ETF hedge funds now?

Buy a little of everything, climate and inflation could kill you but we're all on the same plane now and it's running out of fuel.

The article by the way features a man who sells options against his stocks to produce income. This is known as a covered call strategy. It's low risk. Basically stocks have their ups and downs. You go short at tops and either hold to expiration or cover the short when the stock retreats. But it's very hands on. There are a few ETFs that do the same thing, but most of them use index options.

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