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(48,797 posts)
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 02:13 PM Apr 2019

An Answer to a SALT-y Tax Problem You Didn't Know You Had

Was a bit confusing to me but perhaps some would make sense

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By Laura Saunders

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This issue may be unfamiliar to some, so here’s what’s at stake. Taxpayers who “itemize” deductions on Schedule A—as opposed to taking the standard deduction—list their total payments for state and local property and income or sales taxes. If these filers then receive a state-tax refund, it usually has to be included as taxable income on the filer’s return the next year. For example, if an itemizer received a $5,000 refund of 2017 state-income taxes, then it often counts as taxable income on the filer’s 2018 federal return. Without this rule, people could get two federal tax breaks for the same income

The tax overhaul passed by Congress at the end of 2017, however, imposed a $10,000 cap on SALT deductions. That has raised new questions about the tax treatment of state-issued refunds. Say a filer lists $10,000 of property taxes and $20,000 of state income taxes on his federal return for 2018 and then receives a $5,000 state income-tax refund this year. Will two-thirds of the state refund be taxable in 2019, at rates up to 37%, because two-thirds of the SALT write-off was due to state income tax?

Or, will none of the refund be taxable if the filer simply deducts $10,000 of property tax and omits the income tax? According to Mr. Graetz and other scholars, none of the refund is taxable if the total state taxes paid, minus the refund, are $10,000 or more. In this example, the total state income taxes and property taxes are $30,000 and the refund is $5,000. So the net amount of $25,000 is greater than the $10,000 cap, and the $5,000 refund isn’t taxable.

This answer springs from a legal doctrine known as the Tax Benefit Rule. Under it, a “recovery” like a state-tax refund isn’t taxable if deducting it didn’t yield a tax break, says Bryan Camp, a former IRS attorney who is now a professor at Texas Tech University’s law school. As a result, millions of filers shouldn’t have to distinguish between types of state-tax deductions for 2018 because the SALT limitation combines them all into one unit.

Many people, including some experts, are unaware of this answer. Robert Gordon, a tax strategist who owns Twenty-First Securities in New York, is expecting a large state income-tax refund this year. His return preparer advised him to deduct only his property taxes and state sales taxes, which total more than $10,000, to make it clear that his state-tax refund won’t be taxable on his 2019 federal return.

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https://www.wsj.com/articles/an-answer-to-a-salt-y-tax-problem-you-didnt-know-you-had-11553247005 (paid subscription)

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As I noted, confusing to me, since our property and state taxes are not more than $10K. I did, however, get a message from this: since for 2018 I used the standard deductions, the state refund will not be added to our 2019 income. (I already am having a spreadsheet running..)

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An Answer to a SALT-y Tax Problem You Didn't Know You Had (Original Post) question everything Apr 2019 OP
Did not think of this and thanks for bringing this up. Very interesting...take care...nt SWBTATTReg Apr 2019 #1
Don't forget to deduct all taxes deductible on state returns Cicada Apr 2019 #2
There's one thing I don't have to worry about this year. mahatmakanejeeves Apr 2019 #3
This is where the New Jersey Rage JustAnotherGen Apr 2019 #4

Cicada

(4,533 posts)
2. Don't forget to deduct all taxes deductible on state returns
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 02:23 PM
Apr 2019

California permits deductions for property tax, car license fee, even tho they may be blocked by the federal cap. I list all state and local taxes because my tax software knows to apply the tax benefit rule next year. As do I.

mahatmakanejeeves

(60,933 posts)
3. There's one thing I don't have to worry about this year.
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 02:28 PM
Apr 2019

I underwitheld state (Virginia) and federal for both tax years 2017 and 2018. Not intentionally; it just turned out that way. Tax year 2018 is full of surprises. I jacked up my withholding for both state and federal about midway through 2018. It still wasn't enough. A lot of funds declared capital gains distributions right around Christmas.

I owe a lot this year.

Thanks, though. It's something to think about. I think I come ahead with a standard deduction. I'll look at it again next week.

Full disclosure: I am not an accountant. You probably already figured that out.

JustAnotherGen

(33,544 posts)
4. This is where the New Jersey Rage
Sat Apr 6, 2019, 03:15 PM
Apr 2019

Comes from. We are being taxes twice.

No candidate will get my support who does not demand it be lifted.

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