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I don't have understanding. If SS benefits are paid from a trust fund, (Original Post) sprinkleeninow May 2023 OP
For one thing viva la May 2023 #1
OK, but if you have direct deposit, that's still affected? sprinkleeninow May 2023 #2
"... we would simply not have enough cash to meet all of our obligations," Jim__ May 2023 #3
I did read that. The last time this happened, I can't recall if my parents were affected badly. sprinkleeninow May 2023 #4
It has NEVER happened before Thunderbeast May 2023 #6
I realize I meant shutdown. My head... sprinkleeninow May 2023 #7
I sure hope Biden follows Larry Tribe's advice viva la May 2023 #11
The "Trust Fund" is only an accounting construct. Thunderbeast May 2023 #5
Thanx much. 👊 sprinkleeninow May 2023 #8
It is hard for me to believe that in my country we are talking about cutting off old people's source Chainfire May 2023 #9
The trust fund is gone, robbed for decades by Congress Warpy May 2023 #10

Jim__

(14,456 posts)
3. "... we would simply not have enough cash to meet all of our obligations,"
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:04 PM
May 2023

Government shutdown

Government officials are sounding warnings that Social Security payments could be halted if Congress and the White House don’t come up with a bill to raise the debt ceiling before the government goes into default.

That could happen as soon as June 1, according to recent comments from U.S. Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen. She addressed the threat to Social Security in an interview earlier this week, USA Today reported.

“Whether it’s defaulting on interest payments that are due on the debt or payments due for Social Security recipients or to Medicare providers, we would simply not have enough cash to meet all of our obligations,” Yellen told ABC’s “This Week” on Sunday. “And it’s widely agreed that financial and economic chaos would ensue.”

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“Not paying any of our bills is default,” she added during the hearing. “When you think about the pain that it would cause to Social Security recipients, to food stamp recipients, to vendors who have supplied services, to the government who have their own payrolls to meet, to be told they are not going to be paid, the government is not going to honor those bills. That’s a default.”

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sprinkleeninow

(20,546 posts)
4. I did read that. The last time this happened, I can't recall if my parents were affected badly.
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:08 PM
May 2023
Now I'm in the 'game' and it's quite troubling. We're not all 'flush with funds'.

viva la

(3,775 posts)
11. I sure hope Biden follows Larry Tribe's advice
Sun May 14, 2023, 11:42 PM
May 2023

And says it's his constitutional duty to pay Congress's bills.

Thunderbeast

(3,534 posts)
5. The "Trust Fund" is only an accounting construct.
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:10 PM
May 2023

There is no pot of money designated in a vault somewhere with your name on it.

Every dime spent by the Federal government comes from taxes paid by current workers. The Social Security surplus dollars generated by us boomers were loaned back to the general Fund to pay for then current services. Now that there are fewer workers paying FICA taxes, the commitments are in jeopardy.

A default on the debt will prevent the Treasury from borrowing to pay for anything beyond what current tax collections can fund.

The Constitution does not authorize the President to make the decision about who gets paid...only Congress is authorized to appropriate funds.

Whatever happens, someone (Congress or the President) will be violating the Constitution if the debt ceiling is not raised and funding impounded.

 

Chainfire

(17,757 posts)
9. It is hard for me to believe that in my country we are talking about cutting off old people's source
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:59 PM
May 2023

of income before we are talking about cutting of heads! To the Republicans seniors have become nothing more than a bargaining chip.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
10. The trust fund is gone, robbed for decades by Congress
Sun May 14, 2023, 09:05 PM
May 2023

who used Social Security tax increases to disguise what Republican tax giveaways to the rich did to the deficit.

Social Security is paid out of the General Fund.

I don't know what will happen if Congress puts the country into default. I suspect Biden will do an end run around the shitheads, either using the Fourteenth Amendment or some other mechanism that hasn't yet been discussed.

Next time Democrats get control, the silly debt ceiling limit legislation needs to be repealed. Then they can go to work on TFG's ruinious tax cuts for billionaires.

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