STOCK MARKET WATCH -- Tuesday, 7 March 2023

[Tansy_Gold]

STOCK MARKET WATCH, Tuesday, 7 March 2023

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The problem with eliminationism isn't that it is simply unpleasant or ugly or even uncomfortable discourse, which is what can often be said of the Left's frequently charged rhetoric. The problem, as we have already noted, is that it implies the death of discourse, as well as its dissolution into violence and the use of force.

David Neiwert. The Eliminationists: How Hate Talk Radicalized the American Right. PoliPoint Press. © 2009.

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[Warpy]

1. Jeez, what a quote! Head, meat butt.

Wikipedia has a decent page on where the term came from and it doesn't mean what Neivert thinks it does. From the page:

There are five forms of eliminationism:[2]

Transformation: deleting/changing the cultural identities of people. (Examples include American Indian boarding schools)

Repression: systematically limiting the power of the target group through political disenfranchisement, ghettos, enslavement, segregation, or other legal means. (Examples include anti-Jewish legislation in pre-war Nazi Germany, Jim Crow laws, voter suppression and Apartheid)

Expulsion: removing the undesired group through deportation, forced removal, forced marches, concentration camps. (Examples include the Armenian genocide and the internment of Japanese Americans.)

Preventing reproduction: forced sterilization, anti-miscegenation laws, or systematic rape so that there will be no future for the group.

Extermination: mass murder or genocide.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eliminationism

I guess this total git just got tired of saying "cancel culture" all the time and thought misusing another word would make his whiny book sell better.

[Tansy_Gold]

2. Except . . . . .

. . . . . he covers virtually all of those in the book.

In fact, I almost took a quote from the section he devotes to the Native American boarding schools but chose this one (from the "Introduction&quot instead because I thought it pointed to the attitude far too many take: That the hate talk that's spread over the past 25-30 years is often brushed off as just talk, or even as entertainment (!), when it really is an incitement to violence. And it has led to the enactment of "laws" such as we're now seeing in Florida and Texas, and to a lesser extent in terms of media coverage, everywhere from Iowa to Arizona to Alaska to Montana to South Carolina.

"Eliminationism" can be defined as a belief or ideology or even a governmental policy, but Neiwert is writing about the people who embrace -- consciously or not -- that belief, and how they've been allowed and/or encouraged in that belief, whether as individuals, as politicians/candidates, as media personalities, or whatever.

[Warpy]

3. The Left hardly exists in this country

I'm not arguing with you, just the author, to wit, "The problem with eliminationism isn't that it is simply unpleasant or ugly or even uncomfortable discourse, which is what can often be said of the Left's frequently charged rhetoric." I call bullshit right there, and I'd love to see how he backs that bland assertion up. Even Mother Jones and The Nation are tame little pussycats when you compare them to right wing talk radio. If the "frequently charged rhetoric" of the left had anything to do with the power structure in this country, we'd have a hell of a better country to live in and Jim Crow II would not be a problem.

The only good thing about Eliminationism is that it usually fails, usually miserably. Disease was more of a factor in eliminating smaller tribes in the Americas than the later policy of kidnapping children and putting them into boarding schools was. I know, I've met some survivors and many of them refuse to speak English to this day.

[Tansy_Gold]

4. But he wasn't writing about eliminationism

I have the original (c) 2009 paperback, not the digital edition. What we had then, in the aftermath of Bush v. Gore and 9/11 and Iraq and Afghanistan and Enron and Bear Stearns, was some uncomfortable discourse on the Left. Go back to my posts here right after Obama's election, my excoriation of Geithner and Summers. I got reamed for it. That's "uncomfortable discourse," but it's not eliminationism. And Neiwert doesn't claim it is.

This is one example, also from the "Introduction," of what he's referencing. That in 2008, or whenever he was writing, these people were out there, and they were already feeling free to voice their hate and their desire to eliminate the objects of their hatred. Yes, we had a long series of policies of hatred and eliminationism before, but officially -- supposedly -- we were working as a country and as a government away from it. What Neiwert is documenting is the slide backwards, which both allowed Trump a place on the public stage and accelerated the slide with him to push it.

The little Tualatin pancake house was an Oregon woman’s favorite breakfast spot because the owner, who often doubled as waitress, had always been friendly to her family, often carrying her youngest son about and serving them with a ready smile. But one morning in 2004, she went there alone for a cup of coffee and a side order of bacon, and wound up fleeing in fear.

An older couple in one of the booths next to hers was playing a card game; they told the waitress they were playing “Al Gore Gin,” which they explained meant you could make up the rules as you went along and “anything goes.” When the waitress came to the woman’s table to fill her cup with an amused look on her face, the woman remarked that it sounded more like a “Bush game” to her. Overhearing this, the card-playing couple started talking loudly about the virtues of President Bush.

Soon the occupants of another booth—three men, one middle-aged and two in their twenties—began chiming in loudly. In the process of declaiming the virtues of the president, the older man turned to the woman and remarked, “I hate all you fucking Democrats. You fucking deserve to die. Hopefully, we can kill the fucking bunch of you soon.”

The woman quickly got up, paid for her meal, and left, shaking and shaken. As she did so, she noticed that no one said anything to the man, who had turned to the others and carried on with his tirade.

Even in the absence of official (or unofficial) policies of eliminationism -- which we are now getting -- these people were perfectly willing to openly express their desire to eliminate a group of other people. And yes, he cites many other examples.

The Left hardly exists in this country because it's been systematically . . . . eliminated.