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mahatmakanejeeves

(60,945 posts)
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 07:26 AM Sep 2022

Hundreds quit after one CEO required his employees to be at their desks five days a week.

Hundreds quit after one CEO required his employees to be at their desks five days a week. A year later, the CEO said he has no regrets.

wsj.com
A Boss Ordered All Workers Back to the Office a Year Ago. He Has No Regrets.
Hundreds quit after Mat Ishbia required UWM employees to be at their desks five days a week. ‘Without question, it’s been worth it.’


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Hundreds quit after one CEO required his employees to be at their desks five days a week. (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Sep 2022 OP
It worked only because there is a huge want for different jobs jimfields33 Sep 2022 #1
This sums it up: Pinback Sep 2022 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author LizBeth Sep 2022 #3
I know, what was that idiotic idea of synergy Farmer-Rick Sep 2022 #10
I have a remote job. It is on phones and computer all day LizBeth Sep 2022 #4
UWM is United Wholesale Mortgage, to save people the trouble of having to look it up /nt progree Sep 2022 #5
Thank you! niyad Sep 2022 #6
Maher squawked about how work from home is a terrible idea last night Warpy Sep 2022 #7
A year ago covid was slowing down but still Emile Sep 2022 #8
And that turned out to be a false dawn, as the big Omicron wave began in late November.... progree Sep 2022 #9

jimfields33

(18,874 posts)
1. It worked only because there is a huge want for different jobs
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 07:36 AM
Sep 2022

He was able to hire replacements due to employment climate.

Pinback

(12,885 posts)
2. This sums it up:
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 07:57 AM
Sep 2022

“A lot of managers, and a lot of leaders, think that if they’re watching you, then you’re productive,” Mr. Cappelli said. “We know that’s not true.”
- Peter Cappelli, professor of management at the University of Pennsylvania’s Wharton School of Business

This reader comment is interesting:

He (Ishbia) moves into his father's company at a just about perfect time and I am reminded of "Some people are born on third base and go through life thinking they hit a triple."
I'm sure the people who bought UWM stock on December 31, 2020 at $13.13 a share are just tickled PINK that it goes for $3.14 a share now.

Obviously, not everybody can be motivated or productive working from home, and for most companies and employees the answer is probably a mix of in-office and WFH. But having every single employee drag their butts into an office five days a week (even when leavened with "perks" like foosball tables and snacks) is definitely going to lose you a lot of good talent these days, particularly in IT, engineering, and other high-demand jobs.

In my last decade of IT work, I worked remotely most of the time and was extremely productive. We were evaluated based on our productivity, not on the appearance of being busy, sucking up to the boss, and so on. Most of my team-mates were scattered around the country and often the world, making spending 2+ hours a day commuting to an office just to work with them remotely from there completely superfluous.

Some in upper management had this fantasy of great ideas happening "around the water cooler." That was a crock, in my experience.

Response to Pinback (Reply #2)

Farmer-Rick

(11,407 posts)
10. I know, what was that idiotic idea of synergy
Tue Sep 13, 2022, 03:04 PM
Sep 2022

Somehow being around everyone was supposed to magically make you work better and more productively. But the truth was that it was very distracting and nerve wracking. A lot of people waited until others were gone or took the work home anyway to get some quiet and concentrate.

Also they shipped the factory work to low wage countries oceans away and tried to keep the R and D, and management here in the US. Where was the synergy then? We can send the work to other countries but not to a workers' homes an hour away? When the workers were taking the work home anyway a lot of the times.

LizBeth

(10,821 posts)
4. I have a remote job. It is on phones and computer all day
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 08:10 AM
Sep 2022

and management has total capability of seeing what is up at all times as far as productivity. Other jobs would not have the same oversight as my job but it is an ideal job for doing at home.

Warpy

(113,130 posts)
7. Maher squawked about how work from home is a terrible idea last night
Sat Sep 10, 2022, 03:26 PM
Sep 2022

because he thinks we're all getting too comfortable with being socially disconnected and isolated.

Maher totally missed the point. Nothing is more disconnecting and socially isolating than sitting in a car in rush hour traffic twice a day, commuting for an hour or more to a far suburb with affordable housing. Yeah, we saw our work colleagues, but we didn't see our families.

Hybrid work is here to stay, employees turning up at an office only periodically on a weekly or biweekly basis and working from home and pantsless the rest of the time. Employers need to realize that.

And Maher needs to listen to a few working stiffs instead of restricting himself to the cocktail circuit.

Emile

(29,825 posts)
8. A year ago covid was slowing down but still
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 06:48 AM
Sep 2022

rampant. Even now they say we're losing around 400 people a day. If people can do their jobs at home, employers should allow them.

progree

(11,463 posts)
9. And that turned out to be a false dawn, as the big Omicron wave began in late November....
Sun Sep 11, 2022, 08:03 AM
Sep 2022

Of course nothing like that can ever possibly happen again....
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2021/us/covid-cases.html
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