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Related: About this forum"you are Schrödinger’s Rapist"
"When you approach me in public, you are Schrödingers Rapist. You may or may not be a man who would commit rape. I wont know for sure unless you start sexually assaulting me. I cant see inside your head, and I dont know your intentions. If you expect me to trust youto accept you at face value as a nice sort of guyyou are not only failing to respect my reasonable caution, you are being cavalier about my personal safety."
http://kateharding.net/2009/10/08/guest-blogger-starling-schrodinger%E2%80%99s-rapist-or-a-guy%E2%80%99s-guide-to-approaching-strange-women-without-being-maced/
Interesting perspective.
DavidDvorkin
(19,890 posts)nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)No need to take any of this personally.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)I mean, how do you tell a harmless stranger from a (potentially) malicious one? I can't, in most cases. Hence, even as a man, I have a degree of wariness.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Or for that matter, anyone unlike me. Safety requires that I consider them all suspect until they prove otherwise... amiright?
It is reasonable to have a degree of caution in any new situation. It transitions into bigotry when I advise my friends (i.e. people who look like me) to clutch their can of pepper spray tightly whenever they are in the presence of (men/blacks/hispanics/republicans).
Well, perhaps it is reasonable for #4 on the list.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)What we're talking about here is not a matter of "difference" or "otherness." It's the fact that a woman, over her lifetime, has a comparatively very high chance of being sexually, or otherwise, assaulted by a man. Whereas the vast majority of murders - and robberies, so far as I know - are committed by someone who's the same race as the victim. So this strikes me as an apples-and-oranges comparison, to say the least.
Behind the Aegis
(54,854 posts)Sorry to jump in, but I think the comparison holds some water. Most sexual assaults against women are actually committed by men they know; not strangers! To me, it bares a similarity to the "stranger danger" we teach children, when in fact most kidnappings are by family members, as are most pedophilic assaults. Yet, we teach children to fear strangers. So why is it acceptable for women to see every male stranger as a potential rapist? Driving that point home is your own statement: "Whereas the vast majority of murders - and robberies, so far as I know - are committed by someone who's the same race as the victim." Therefore, "fearing" black people because they may rob you is as ludicrous and bigotry driven as fearing any man you encounter on the street will rape you.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)I just don't see wariness of strangers in general - which is something I practice even as a man - as being an unreasonable prejudice akin to knee-jerk racism.
Behind the Aegis
(54,854 posts)Like you, I also practice it. I just don't distinguish based on sex. When the determining factor is solely sex, then it is a form of bigotry. You may not see a correlation, but it is there, it is just the "-ism" is different.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)That would indeed be a form of unreasonable prejudice.
And I also neglected, in my earlier post, to take into account the fact that sexual assaults are mostly committed by acquaintances of the victim. So, as you noted, it's not necessarily strangers one should be worried about.
Behind the Aegis
(54,854 posts)I really do understand why women can be apprehensive about strange men, I am too...straight ones. I have never been raped by one; my rapist was bisexual. But, I do have to battle with myself when it comes to being around strangers whom I perceive to be heterosexual men. Though rape may not be at the top of my mind, "fag-bashing" certainly is. I have to remind myself, not every heterosexual man is a threat to me.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)been through and the apprehension you feel. I've been verbally threatened on the street, at night, by a random asshole or two, robbed by another, and I have close friends who've suffered various forms of violence and abuse in their lives. So while I may not be as vulnerable - or fearful - as others in some of the same situations, being a white, straight, 200-lb. male, victimization is certainly not a foreign concept to me.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)I can certainly understand why some women feel intimidated by men. What I see happening is you have some feminists who build on this idea by saying things like "all men don't rape, but all men benefit from those who do" which makes less sense than saying 'all women don't cut off penes, but all women benefit from those who do".
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)its the failure to grasp the reality of abstract concept devoid of logical reasoning, and then turning around an promoting abstracts devoid of reasoning and full of logical fallacy.
i think it hold many back, but i also understand its pure fear.