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Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
Sun May 26, 2013, 10:22 PM May 2013

Police beating (another) man to death.



Is this also not a Men's Issue?

I think it is because you would not see it done to a woman and yet we see it over and over against men.

Let us assume the worst. Let's say the man, high on meth, is fighting police. He punches hard, he seems to have more aggression and strength than an average person.... but then, he is down, covered by another policeman, restrained from fighting.

How many times does he need to be hit with a blunt object? In this video, it is a policewoman striking him repeatedly. Yes, men are stronger than woman, but does that really account for the fact that it is ALWAYS men beaten to death by police?

Men. Dangerous. Expendable. This remains an unexamined reality and yes, it is a man's issue.
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AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
1. Men are geneally the recipients of unnecessary and excessive police violence, but some women
Sun May 26, 2013, 11:28 PM
May 2013

have been as well.

Please see
An LAPD officer killed a mother of two by kicking her in the genitals, according to a lawsuit
http://sync.democraticunderground.com/10022787897

In part:

Sandra Thomas Moses sued Los Angeles, its Police Department and Doe officers 1-50 for the wrongful death of her daughter Alesia Thomas, who died of cardiac arrest in the early hours of July 22, 2012. Moses also sued on behalf of one of her late daughter's two children, in Superior Court.

Moses claims her daughter stopped breathing within minutes of the attack by a female LAPD officer. She was pronounced dead 16 minutes after arriving at a medical center in southwest Los Angeles, according to an Aug. 31, 2012 report in the L.A. Times.
...
"According to the news release from the Los Angeles Police Department, as Doe officers 1 through 5, inclusive, were taking Alesia into custody, she resisted arrest and tried to 'pull away' from officers," the complaint states. "The officers performed a 'leg sweep,' took Alesia to the ground and handcuffed her hands behind her back. When Alesia allegedly continued to resist, the officers allegedly called for back-up and placed Alesia into so-called 'hobble restraints,'" an adjustable strap used to restrain the ankles.

"At that point Alesia was completely defenseless. Doe Officer I verbally stated to Alesia that she was going to kick Alesia in Alesia's genitalia if she further resisted. Thereafter, Doe Officer 1, with great force, actually kicked Alesia in Alesia's genitalia," the complaint states.

http://www.courthousenews.com/2013/05/02/57240.htm


See also


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There are more.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
3. For every woman case, there are a thousand men.
Mon May 27, 2013, 12:38 AM
May 2013

There are police brutality problems in general, but the fact that it makes the news the few times it happens to women is a case of "man bites dog", an exception that proves the rule.

 

TM99

(8,352 posts)
4. As men are reminded in threads
Mon May 27, 2013, 12:50 AM
May 2013

about rape, sure men are raped too but most rape occurs against women the world over.

This type of police violence happens to women, however, it is definitely done time and time again more often to men.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
5. Indeed the victims are almost always men, as are the perpetrators.
Mon May 27, 2013, 07:42 AM
May 2013

Like the rape issue, underlying this is the male culture of violence, a superset of rape culture, and indeed men are the primary victims of violence, as women are of rape.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
6. Do women NOT have influence in the creation of culture?
Mon May 27, 2013, 09:06 AM
May 2013

Do you understand that we experience the world as individuals?

You can talk about an abstract concept like the Patriarchy, but on an individual level, the reality that men face, the violence and other issues...these are some of the things that we here in this group are talking about when we talk of "Men's Issues".

Does your observation that men are the perpetrators do anything to lessen or diminish the fact that men face this violence and that is an issue that we, as male individuals, must deal with?

If you ARE capable of understanding that, perhaps you could tell me how you think your observation helps?

Furthermore, over half of the population are women. Just how exactly do you feel that women are NOT therefore responsible for the creation of the culture of the police force, for example, that victimizes men in this way?

Major Nikon

(36,899 posts)
7. It is a societal problem because in a democracy, society has the power to change it
Mon May 27, 2013, 10:00 AM
May 2013

Laws governing use of force by police can be changed. Independent agencies can be established which investigate police brutality. Police management systems can be established that discourage codes of silence from within the ranks.

Men and women are equally responsible for the culture.

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