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Related: About this forumPsychology Today - Does Pornography Cause Social Harm?
If porn is a significant contributor to social harm, we would expect to see substantial increases in sexual irresponsibility, divorce, and rape since the late 1990s when the Internet suddenly made X-rated material much more available to those who might instigate sexual mayhem, overwhelmingly men.
Guess what. Since the arrival of Internet porn:
* Sexual irresponsibility has declined.
* Teen sex has declined.
* Divorce has declined.
* Rape has declined.
Why would social ills decline as porn becomes more widely available? No one knows. But the one thing porn really causes is masturbation. Internet porn keeps men at home one-handing it. As a result, they're not out in the world acting irresponsibly-or criminally.
I'm not arguing that porn is utterly harmless. Some men consume it so compulsively that it interferes with their lives. They need therapy. Some women become distraught when they discover that the men in their lives enjoy porn. They might benefit from couple therapy. And to the extent that porn is a sex educator, it teaches lovemaking all wrong. More about this in a future post.
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/all-about-sex/200904/does-pornography-cause-social-harm
libodem
(19,288 posts)Into your own hands. Society at large remains safe. Good article.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Which I think is the driving factor behind a lot of the 'angst' around it.
Important to any good relationship is clear and honest communication about expectations.
If, say, someone has drawn some line in the sand with their partner about naked pictures of women (or men) and then they keep discovering that the other person still looks at them, it's reasonable to figure that they may get bent out of shape, even to the point of endlessly ranting against it to strangers in incoherent non-sequiturs.
TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)when feelings of jealousy and/or inadequacy can make for a lot of angst.
Some of the comments were about the loss of control women have over us when we can satisfy ourselves without them. I'm not convinced, but just that some guys are talking about it is interesting.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)hard-wired primate behavior suited to small hunter-gatherer bands, involving maintaining a lower level of general female sexual availability and as such a high general "value" on sex. This would explain why, often, it is women who engage in terrible forms of "slut-shaming"... starting in Middle School.
Of course, these behaviors are ill-suited for a global, media rich environment and go absolutely bugfuck haywire with a 7 billion person planet full of millions of people who insist on taking their clothes off and showing their bodies to others, oblivious to demands that they acquiesce to the demands of their erstwhile controllers.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)when we see women who claim that feminism is the reason that they want strippers to be shamed into covering themselves.
Easy to don the mantle of self-righteousness but I suspect for some it is an issue of inadequacy.
Now that might hurt to hear and I can understand why it would sting some into retaliation. But that doesn't make it less true.
Doctor_J
(36,392 posts)except the sex.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I don't know. To me, a vibrant, enthusiastic and healthy sex life is an important part of an adult relationship, but for some folks I guess it's just not important.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)the author is a quack/fraud and should be hung by his thumbs to thank God for porn so we don't have to deal with women any more.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)forms...
rrneck
(17,671 posts)There's no stamping out people's imaginations.
nolabels
(13,133 posts)Needs a good kick to the top....
Btw there really is a lot of interesting comments after the article in the link. Next someone should do an article on the disappearance of out-houses and why the convenience of plumbing and the modern bathroom has resulted in a lot less people being mauled by bears (there would be some parallel comparisons there )
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)go listen to the Dworkin congressional testimony on the youtubes. She basically describes the proliferance of porn as the scurge of humanity with men getting all hyped up on porn like bath salts and then unleashing the penis of doom on women everywhere. Come to find out, the exact opposite happened. So much for the "theory".
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Sex in all its forms is healthy and fun, i see across a whole swathe of du remnants of the puritans. Who cares if i use porn or money changes hands for sex, or if i have multiple partners. Its nobodies business but mine.
nomorenomore08
(13,324 posts)their views ultimately are...
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)In gun threads.
Major Nikon
(36,900 posts)Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)Slaughter in all those other countries. I rather suspect that in ours, a "porn" cause & effect model must be limited to "inner city" cultures since the violence is most concentrated there. But it is for the porn-centric social scientists to dance through that "mind field."
loli phabay
(5,580 posts)opiate69
(10,129 posts)loli phabay
(5,580 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)alcohol, male suicides in 2013 would quadruple.
IMO