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Related: About this forum"Marital aid addiction" and loss of performance and drive with real men
After considering the argument that men viewing porn can make it difficult for them to "function" with real women, I spent some time thinking about it.
I suppose the argument is probably an old one since masturbation has always been a competitor for sex with one's partner, but with todays ease of availability of porn, it is probably exacerbated somewhat.
Still, breaking down the issue, I see it as involving A) the "ease" of self-stimulation vs. the "bother" of initiating sex and B) the competition between the visual presence of women with perfect bodies doing really raunchy things vs. the imperfections of the real woman who may be less inclined...
After giving it some thought, I had to conclude that this is a problem/issue that must arise with women's use of penis substitutes, namely vibrators as well. I mean, if you are going to make the argument that masturbating to porn is harmful to one's sex drive with a real person and all their imperfections, you must also admit that the same would be true for a woman that uses a large rapidly vibrating "marital aid".
Both are objects for self-stimulation that obviate the need for reaching out for a human partner. It seems intellectually dishonest to rail against one instance of it and not the other.
Personally, I think both are fine with reasonable limits but I wanted to put that out there.
Scuba
(53,475 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)you've never seen me dance.
galileoreloaded
(2,571 posts)malthaussen
(17,672 posts)A male may exhaust his precious fluids via Onanism, thus affecting his ability (nevermind his desire) to perform with a female, whereas the ability of the latter to engage at any time is not adversely impacted by frequency of self-stimulation.
-- Mal
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)ElboRuum
(4,717 posts)...I'm so out of here.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)How that works, I have no idea.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I mean, I'm all for kink; whatever works, consenting adults, etc.. but at least be intellectually honest and say that's your kick, don't try to dress it up as "science" or "morality" (time honored as those traditions- like in Western Religion- may be)
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201209/rethinking-the-wonders-adult-masturbation
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201204/women-does-orgasm-give-you-hangover
http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/cupids-poisoned-arrow/201205/men-does-frequent-ejaculation-cause-hangover
opiate69
(10,129 posts)I know it`s probably silly of me, but for some reason I would expect a magazine called "Psychology Today" to actually publish articles written by people who, you know... actually hold degrees in Psych... and not homophobic right-wing former corporate attorneys.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)All basing their "science" upon the esteemed research of one Judith Reisman, anti-gay bigot and right wing kook.
opiate69
(10,129 posts)Color me shocked!!
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Eventually become unable to distinguish a man from a package of "c" cells.
Bonobo
(29,257 posts)As if a man is nothing but a 9 inch long vibrating schlong...
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)of women who believe that they somehow "deserve" this kind of stimulation, that it is their God-Given Right to decide for themselves, even, to get pleasure from buzzing bits of plastic- the nerve! The idea that they can participate in these sorts of categorically objectifying self-pleasuring experiences, undoubtedly altering their brains with endorphin erotoxin oxycontin scary sounding words undenyiably altering their psyches to turn them into plastic-fetishists with addicted sexual programming.... that any time they feel they "need" or "want" an orgasm they demand- DEMAND! the 'right' to reach into the nightstand and switch on ol' Buzz Lightrabbit...
Really, I think a serious social critique has to include the messages which are being sent to young women, telling them they can expect the right to march into a Good Vibrations store, pick up a $40 vibrator, and they don't need to do anything else, they can DEMAND yes DEMAND sexual pleasure because they have an ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY that tells them they are ENTITLED to a vibrating phallic-shaped object ANY DAMN TIME THEY WANT!
Caaaaaanyooooooooo CAAAANNYOOOOOUUUUUU belieeeeeeve the ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY???????????
p.s. this is in case of impairment
redqueen
(115,164 posts)13 . INDEED!!! The societal harm needs to be critically examined; especially the entitlement mentality
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of women who believe that they somehow "deserve" this kind of stimulation, that it is their God-Given Right to decide for themselves, even, to get pleasure from buzzing bits of plastic- the nerve! The idea that they can participate in these sorts of categorically objectifying self-pleasuring experiences, undoubtedly altering their brains with endorphin erotoxin oxycontin scary sounding words undenyiably altering their psyches to turn them into plastic-fetishists with addicted sexual programming.... that any time they feel they "need" or "want" an orgasm they demand- DEMAND! the 'right' to reach into the nightstand and switch on ol' Buzz Lightrabbit...
Really, I think a serious social critique has to include the messages which are being sent to young women, telling them they can expect the right to march into a Good Vibrations store, pick up a $40 vibrator, and they don't need to do anything else, they can DEMAND yes DEMAND sexual pleasure because they have an ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY that tells them they are ENTITLED to a vibrating phallic-shaped object ANY DAMN TIME THEY WANT!
Caaaaaanyooooooooo CAAAANNYOOOOOUUUUUU belieeeeeeve the ENTITLEMENT MENTALITY???????????
p.s. this is in case of impairment
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Bonobo
(29,257 posts)how that might effect a woman's ability to connect on a human level to her husband.
And perhaps you might expound on how the use of a dildo or vibrator has the effect of objectifying a man and reducing his utility to the level of a pleasure device.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)So Much Hate. So Much Harm.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Anyone remember this?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=6334
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Trying to restart forum wars. Crying smileys with references to hate and harm? The hateful and harmful stuff about women involves serious threats of violence, sexualized violence, or jokes about violence which normalize it. This making fun of feminists shit is getting really old.
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Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Beyond that, further discussion along those lines is not helpful. Better to stick to the topic, which is the question -at least as I understand Bonobo's OP- as to whether marital aids for women cause neurochemical brain changes, wide scale societal harm, result in women being erotically programmed to consider men "objects" and "objects" men, etc.
I do think that has to go down in history as one of DU's more ridiculous alerts, though.
Denninmi
(6,581 posts)But I am not eating that salad under any circumstances.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I'm hard to phase.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)I still can't believe someone alerted on that post.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Bonobo
(29,257 posts)Yes, it is.
Warren DeMontague
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