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The Faux-Left (More Like Right-Wing) Antiporn/Anti-Sex Work Feminist Movement (Or, Why Gail Dines Is WAY Closer To The Tea Partiers Than She Thinks The Porn Industry Is)Posted on March 12, 2014 by Anthony
Reading the response of Sex and Censorships Jerry Barrett to Gail Dines assault on his group for daring to oppose Dines and Stop Porn Cultures scheduled London conference on pornography is quite illuminating, to say the least. It isnt just that Barrett has the courage to rebute and rebuke all of Dines prattle about how porn is capitalisms means of suppressing, raping, and torturing women, and how the porn industry is the equivalency of the Tea Party in defending corporate plunder never mind that Dines has never said or typed one letter of one word regarding corporate abuse in any other profession other than porn. Its really more about how Barrett responds to the attempt by Professor Dines to shame him and his organization as right-wingers. Heres how he responded to one of her slanders:
As for Dines comparing my small campaign group with the Tea Party: my own politics are left-of-centre. I am no anti-government militant. Yes, I am an ardent campaigner for free speech, but an equally strong supporter of Britains National Health Service (which, incidentally, gives free, regular STI checks to pornstars), a strong welfare safety net, and other tax-funded government services. I believe that government belongs in health, education, welfare, social services, environmental protection and transport; but I do not believe unlike Dines that it belongs in our bedrooms.
As a working-class Black man, a Lefty who believes in pretty much the same economic political agenda as Mr. Barrett (of course, adjusted to the political spectrum of the US, I would be well to the Left of even his positions), and a long time defender of free consensual adult sexual expression and adult sexual media, I can pretty much feel for his frustration and anguish at always having to apologize for linking his sexual/social libertarianism with his economic radicalism. As someone who has for the past 10 years or so battled with the socially regressive policies of antiporn feminist activism in regards to sex work (including the pornography/erotic dance and prostitution/escort/outcall services), I share with him the belief that sex work can be, even in an egalitarian or even socialist society, a legitimate and socially acceptable means of work for women and men which should be treated and reformed like all other forms of work done in exchange for compensation.
Reading the response of Sex and Censorships Jerry Barrett to Gail Dines assault on his group for daring to oppose Dines and Stop Porn Cultures scheduled London conference on pornography is quite illuminating, to say the least. It isnt just that Barrett has the courage to rebute and rebuke all of Dines prattle about how porn is capitalisms means of suppressing, raping, and torturing women, and how the porn industry is the equivalency of the Tea Party in defending corporate plunder never mind that Dines has never said or typed one letter of one word regarding corporate abuse in any other profession other than porn. Its really more about how Barrett responds to the attempt by Professor Dines to shame him and his organization as right-wingers. Heres how he responded to one of her slanders:
As for Dines comparing my small campaign group with the Tea Party: my own politics are left-of-centre. I am no anti-government militant. Yes, I am an ardent campaigner for free speech, but an equally strong supporter of Britains National Health Service (which, incidentally, gives free, regular STI checks to pornstars), a strong welfare safety net, and other tax-funded government services. I believe that government belongs in health, education, welfare, social services, environmental protection and transport; but I do not believe unlike Dines that it belongs in our bedrooms.
As a working-class Black man, a Lefty who believes in pretty much the same economic political agenda as Mr. Barrett (of course, adjusted to the political spectrum of the US, I would be well to the Left of even his positions), and a long time defender of free consensual adult sexual expression and adult sexual media, I can pretty much feel for his frustration and anguish at always having to apologize for linking his sexual/social libertarianism with his economic radicalism. As someone who has for the past 10 years or so battled with the socially regressive policies of antiporn feminist activism in regards to sex work (including the pornography/erotic dance and prostitution/escort/outcall services), I share with him the belief that sex work can be, even in an egalitarian or even socialist society, a legitimate and socially acceptable means of work for women and men which should be treated and reformed like all other forms of work done in exchange for compensation.
http://redgarterclub.com/RGClubNetwork/blog/2014/03/12/the-faux-left-more-like-right-wing-antipornanti-sex-work-feminist-movement-or-why-gail-dines-is-way-closer-to-the-tea-partiers-than-she-thinks-the-porn-industry-is/
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The Faux-Left (More Like Right-Wing) Antiporn/Anti-Sex Work “Feminist” Movement (Or, Why Gail Dines (Original Post)
opiate69
Aug 2014
OP
Yeah.. I don't think these idiots quite understand "Right" and "Left" too well...
opiate69
Aug 2014
#2
Please people, let's be above this and completely ignore her religion
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
Aug 2014
#3
RiffRandell
(5,909 posts)1. Her Wikipedia profile is also a great read.
An academic,[1] she has also been described as "The world's leading anti-pornography campaigner".[1]
In 2011, Dines was invited alongside fellow anti-pornography activist Shelley Lubben to debate against Anna Span at the University of Cambridge when it proposed the motion "This house believes that pornography does a good public service."[7][8] Dines did not sway the house, which decided 231 in favour to 187 against with 197 abstentions.[9][10] Dines said her opponents won because the chamber consisted mostly of "18-22 year old males who are using pornography on a regular basis."[11
Dines has also been criticized by some feminists of attempting to foment moral panic, particularly in opposition to sex work and sex workers' rights, rather than advancing an academically rigorous position.[16][17] Dines dismisses the claim, stating, "To suggest feminists who oppose the pornification of society are stirring up a moral panic is to confuse a politically progressive movement with rightwing attempts to police sexual behaviour."[18]
In 2011, Dines was invited alongside fellow anti-pornography activist Shelley Lubben to debate against Anna Span at the University of Cambridge when it proposed the motion "This house believes that pornography does a good public service."[7][8] Dines did not sway the house, which decided 231 in favour to 187 against with 197 abstentions.[9][10] Dines said her opponents won because the chamber consisted mostly of "18-22 year old males who are using pornography on a regular basis."[11
Dines has also been criticized by some feminists of attempting to foment moral panic, particularly in opposition to sex work and sex workers' rights, rather than advancing an academically rigorous position.[16][17] Dines dismisses the claim, stating, "To suggest feminists who oppose the pornification of society are stirring up a moral panic is to confuse a politically progressive movement with rightwing attempts to police sexual behaviour."[18]
Love the phrase "moral panic"...need to start using that one. It reminds me of the 1992 Republican convention with Pat Buchanan and also the Dan Quayle/Murphy Brown feud. Regarding the last sentence, it seems Ms. Dines is the one confused.
Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gail_Dines
opiate69
(10,129 posts)2. Yeah.. I don't think these idiots quite understand "Right" and "Left" too well...
Obama endorses Planned Parenthood. I guess he doesn't mind endorsing the porn industry then. Because the main porn lawyer and only registered lobbyist for the porn industry is the former Senior Vice President of Planned Parenthood Diane Duke. She went from killing babies to destroying women in porn to destroying your family by her vigorous efforts to defend pornography. See for yourself at the link below. Obama endorses these people! Will you vote for a president that endorses the porn industry and the killing of over 3,700 babies a day in the USA? God is watching your vote.
https://m.facebook.com/ShelleyLubbenFanPage/posts/284761428290794
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)3. Please people, let's be above this and completely ignore her religion
Even if it's the determining factor as to why she's a fucking moron.