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ProudToBeBlueInRhody

(16,399 posts)
Fri Jun 1, 2012, 07:56 PM Jun 2012

"Entitlement" to sexual activity in the "patriarchy".

I hear this term tossed around in GD and other places when it comes to men......frequently during discussions of prostitution.

Wouldn't "entitlement" mean one would not have to pay for sexual pleasure, but just be able to demand and take at any time? If I need to get my car fixed, and I go pay a mechanic to do it, is it because I've decided I'm "entitled", or is it that I need to pay for a service that is being offered by a businessperson?

I find the dismissal of the need for sexual contact through sex surrogates, therapists and courtesans to be actually quite insensitive. There are those who believe women should not be able to offer these services (and these are often "feminists&quot ......and for those who wish to use them to possibly experience sexual contact that they otherwise would not be able to engage in should basically "deal with it". It's those people who I find actually to have a rather disturbing view of sexuality.....that it is all about just using a person as a semen dumpster or some such pleasant colloquialism, as opposed to the idea of enjoying intimate, human, physical touch.....

This bothers me.....I had a rather uncomfortable discussion with a co-worker today......the guy broke down in front of me, and lot of it has to do with the fact that he does not have the tools to have a romantic relationship, and I think it's dawning on him that he never will. I really didn't know what to say, and unlike in other similar situations.....there IS nothing I can say, unless I lie to him just to pump him up a bit.



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"Entitlement" to sexual activity in the "patriarchy". (Original Post) ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2012 OP
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #1
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This message was self-deleted by its author eek MD Jun 2012 #3
I've met at least a couple of women who were former professionals libodem Jun 2012 #4
It's more of a labor issue than a gender issue. rrneck Jun 2012 #5
it comes down to a business relationship loli phabay Jul 2012 #9
No entitlement issues with my GF and me. Clames Jun 2012 #6
Your right caseymoz Jun 2012 #7
This message was self-deleted by its author Warren DeMontague Jun 2012 #8
Their arguments don't make a lot of sense until you realize 4th law of robotics Jul 2012 #10
I feel everyone is entitled to sexual activity, as long as its consensual between adults loli phabay Jul 2012 #11

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libodem

(19,288 posts)
4. I've met at least a couple of women who were former professionals
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 12:28 PM
Jun 2012

Oneworked in a Nevada house. She told me one of her favorite customers, was a man with some war injuries, who was a repeat client. She spoke very tenderly of this unfortunate individual.

rrneck

(17,671 posts)
5. It's more of a labor issue than a gender issue.
Sat Jun 2, 2012, 02:36 PM
Jun 2012

If someone wants to be a sex worker, that's fine. If they have to be a sex worker because they need the money or do a kind or volume of sex work just to survive, the injustice of that added to the social stigma and the emotional difficulty of "paid faux intimacy" can be horrible and horribly unfair.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
9. it comes down to a business relationship
Thu Jul 12, 2012, 07:28 PM
Jul 2012

both sides agree a price for a service, one provides the service and the other the money, got no problem with it as long as its consensual. people sell their time and bodies every day whether its digging holes, fighting fires, fighting in wars or working in a store, why do people feel that selling a sexual service is somehow not a persons right.

 

Clames

(2,038 posts)
6. No entitlement issues with my GF and me.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:40 PM
Jun 2012

She's a go getter. Sometimes twice a day. Or more.



Not complaining.

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
7. Your right
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 08:28 AM
Jun 2012

If it's entitlement, or if it's (as some insist) rape, why would the guy even pay her at all? I ask them to imagine this: what if a guy agrees to pay a prostitute for sex, they go to a hotel, and then he changes his mind, meaning there's no sex and no pay. Would she be relieved? Would she thank him for not "using" her?

Answer: no. She might be even-tempered about it, but she would most likely cuss him out of that room.

Unless the woman is enslaved or underage (and it's debatable how common that is), her choice has to respected as much as her sex partner's. If no means no, and everyone agrees it does, then yes means yes.

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4th law of robotics

(6,801 posts)
10. Their arguments don't make a lot of sense until you realize
Fri Jul 13, 2012, 08:59 AM
Jul 2012

that it's entirely based on the notion that men are always the oppressors and women are always the victims. Where it gets a bit more gray is for transgendered folks and homosexuals. But for most people they have a clear explanation for any male/female interaction: men bad, women good and they just fit the facts in to that conclusion rather than the other way around.

Now I'm not talking about all feminists of course. But this is a distinct and vocal (oh so vocal) group within the larger group.

 

loli phabay

(5,580 posts)
11. I feel everyone is entitled to sexual activity, as long as its consensual between adults
Tue Jul 17, 2012, 12:21 AM
Jul 2012

As long as you find a partner or partners who consent then anything should go. As to prostitution anyone who wishes to rent their sexuality should be allowed again as long as its consensual.

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