Let's not use the word "Date Rape"

[Bonobo]

It's "rape" and whether they were on a date or not shouldn't be used to minimize the crime.

Rape is rape is rape.

And calling it "rape date" minimizes it.

Let's be better than that.

[Major Nikon]

1. I'm not so sure it minimizes it

There are many different types of rape and "date rape" AKA acquaintance rape just differentiates that type from others. All rape is evil and reprehensible.

Rape is often referred to as sexual assault, which is a term that is more inclusive than rape. If anything that minimizes rape, but I haven't heard of anyone complaining about that.

http://www.rainn.org/get-information/types-of-sexual-assault

[leftyohiolib]

2. i think it was chris rock who said - once the rape starts the date is over

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edit to add it's not a rape "joke" . it's a statement backing the op in that there is n o date rape it's rape

[libodem]

3. That is very well put

Thank you for such a respectful discussion. This difficult issue becomes so emotional that practical discussions get sidetracked, and achieving insightful conclusions are disrupted. I generally evade these talks.

[Bonobo]

4. And the Hypocrite of the Year award goes to:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125529123#post6

B-but I thought that since men commit rape, it is up to stop it? I thought we were supposed to talk about it?

Oh, I guess it's really not true. We are only here to be foils.

[Major Nikon]

5. One of their usual posters regularly claims the incidence of rape is up

Despite every data set and every authoritative opinion which states the exact opposite. I have yet to see any of their frequent posters challenge that BS. I guess RAINN isn't good enough for them. Go figure.

[Warren DeMontague]

7. Far more interesting a question, I would think, is why that assertion is so important

to a particular preferred narrative.

[Major Nikon]

8. Good question

But look at it this way. Radfem 'theory' is that more porn = more rape. When those two things are inversely proportional there must be something wrong with the theory. Perhaps it's just easier to deny the obvious than to admit Dworkin et al were flat wrong.

[Warren DeMontague]

11. Hmmmm.

[Warren DeMontague]

6. "Now they've got a thread about Mouse Farts in the Antarctic"!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1114&pid=11279


"It's a new low for the Mens Group"

[opiate69]

9. Of the year?? Shit no..

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. Let's be honest

You're not supposed to talk about anything.

There are clearly people here who desperately want control over who posts.

[Major Nikon]

12. And those same people seem to have quite a bit of free time on their hands

They really should get a more productive hobby if nothing else than for their own sake.

[RiffRandell]

13. Exactly, and what groups should be allowed.

If I'm not interested in certain groups I stay out of them, but I believe they have the same right as all the other groups to exist.

Reminds me of this scene from The Breakfast Club:

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

14. The lack of self flagellation is what bothers them most

I think they'd like this group to be "How fucking awful are we?", and it's not, and that's a problem. Hence, making up bullshit about MRA and claiming things were said and written that never were.

[Katashi_itto]

15. I personally think it's sort of worse (don't get me wrong all rape is bad)

But Date Rape...is well.. you built a trust factor up here, taking a lady out for what she thinks is going to be a nice evening.

So you've breach that trust and raped her too.

Just my opinion mind you.