John Kerry
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Shocking - A MA newspaper has something positive to write about Senator Kerry. It seems that, after a week-end in the Emirates, Kerry gave an address to Gordon College.
I am generally not a big fan of these speeches (this is not something that would be acceptable in France, where faith does not mix well with public discourse), but I like what I am reading here.
The words "politics and religion" don't naturally conjure an image of a left-leaning senator from Massachusetts.
Nonetheless, U.S. Sen. John Kerry delivered an engaging and effective speech yesterday at Gordon College on how his Christian faith has informed his political career as a senior member of the U.S. Congress.
"I don't usually talk about faith. It's not something every audience wants to digest or is able to digest, but I believe the call of Jesus and every religious leader is the call to service," Kerry told a few hundred students, faculty and other onlookers as he delivered the inaugural Richard F. Gross Distinguished Lecture inside the chapel at the Christian college. "I like to think that my entire career is an extension of my faith."
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"I believe more and more with each trip I make to the Middle East, that there is much more we hold in common than that which divides us," said Kerry, who arrived in Wenham one day after meeting with foreign leaders in Dubai as chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee. "We don't have to agree on everything to get along, but we must agree that faith may be worth dying for, but not worth killing for."
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In a surprise hardball question at the end of the program, Gordon President Michael Lindsay asked Kerry how he reconciles his Christian faith with his support to allow women the choice to legally have an abortion.
"I passionately believe that courts and government should not be making that decision," Kerry said, even while adding that he thinks life begins at conception. "I don't think my faith is inconsistent at all with that. I believe it is inappropriate for me to make that decision for my wife, daughter or somebody else."
http://hamilton-wenham.patch.com/articles/kerry-brings-message-of-christian-tolerance-to-gordon-college
U.S. Sen. John Kerry made the inaugural address at the Richard L. Gross Distinguished Lecture Series at Gordon College in Wenham on Monday.
U.S. Sen. John Kerry, just off the airplane from a meeting with Muslim leaders in Dubai, told the students at Gordon College on Monday that there is more in all religions worldwide that unites rather than divides people of faith.
Kerry, a Democrat, said there are lots of pitfalls to debating faith issues during a presidential year, in a direct reference to the conservative Christian agenda that has dominated the last few Republican presidential primaries.
The more I learn, the more I know that all religions live by universal values, Kerry told students who packed the A.J. Gordon Memorial Chapel at the Christian college.
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Kerry, the decorated Navy veteran who opposed the Vietnam War, quoted St. Augustine in saying that war should never be waged except as a last resort and then with restraint.
Faith may be worth dying for, but it is not worth killing for, he said.
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karynnj
(59,923 posts)I think that the need for Democrats, who happen to have strong religious ties, to speak of them comes from today's environment where there is a major effort to define Democrats as Godless and to define faith to be just the very conservative wings of Christianity - and sometimes (if they agree with the conservative Christians) Orthodox Jews.
In the Pepperdine speech, Kerry spoke of speaking about faith - that he had considered private, because otherwise you get defined to be what you aren't. In addition, it is hard to speak of interfaith efforts and to counter the demonetization of Islam without speaking of faith.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...mention and a couple 'KONI' type references, it IS the same.
When he did the Pepperdine speech, the timing was just coming off an election cycle where he had been smeared...where opponents had defined him. That part was explanation for giving a speech on the topic of faith in public life. He had no reason to do that today.
But speaking of faith...honestly...is required to get beyond where our politics (and policies) are stuck. Evangelicals, purposefully or not, used their religion to political advantage in 2004 and 2008 and 2010. Dems needed an answer to that in 2004. They still do, and I think Senator Kerry is leading on this (thankfully).
Besides, he gave this speech on my birthday! Thanks, Senator!
karynnj
(59,923 posts)I think another difference was that the 2004 one went into some specifics on issues like abortion and war that are not here - and the reason is what you said. He was showing how he could defend that his positions on a range of issues listed by some Catholic organization did reflect his faith.
Kerry in the Yale talk with Blair seemed to agree with you that they should have answered in 2004 - and he explicitly said that at Pepperdine as you point out. It is ironic that where Kerry was advised by his advisers not to speak on religion, he is among the more religious Democrats. I don't know if it would have helped - it might have been that where some people said religion - they meant votes on abortion and gay rights. If so, it wouldn't. It might have helped just because it might have shown more of who he is, but his daughters' connection to him and - SBVT aside - his service and the loyalty of his guys showed that from a different direction.
Happy belated Birthday!
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...for the birthday wishes.
You said, "It is ironic that where Kerry was advised by his advisers not to speak on religion, he is among the more religious Democrats. I don't know if it would have helped - it might have been that where some people said religion - they meant votes on abortion and gay rights.
I think JK is determined to change this...as he did in the speech...by giving examples from his faith of other demonstrations of religious choice. The GOP always frame religion to their advantage...abortion and gay rights. Those are the issues they want to be the 'voting issues' in any election because it increases their turnout. Dem Party framing...'creation care', treating one's brother with respect, etc...is what the Senator does in this speech.
In 2004, GOP framing was used (unfairly) to define Senator Kerry. If, in 2012, religion is framed in Democratic Party terms, that cannot happen to another candidate.
In addition to that, the GOP framing is very divisive for the country. By Democrats focusing on our common religious beliefs, it can help unifiy the country. That is badly needed, IMO.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...speech on this subject, I look forward to reading the speech in its entirety. That speech was one of his best, ever. If anyone has a video link, please share.
Thanks, Mass...on my way out the door now, but I will read the article in full when I get home.
MBS
(9,688 posts)which, of course, is what I would expect from him, and why I have such respect for him. (and, OT, why I get so FURIOUS when people trash him for superficial reasons). I hope that a video and/or full transcript will be available.
With a sentence like this:
Faith may be worth dying for, but it is not worth killing for,
it looks like it really will be worth watching or reading.
For those who don't know (and in case it isn't evident from these newspaper articles), Gordon College is a small conservative-Christian college north of Boston, and just the fact that Kerry had the guts to speak there speaks volumes about his courage and integrity . . GOOD for him.
__ added later:
OK, I read the articles. .
This was a great quote from the first article:
"A lot of politicians run around talking about (their faith), but I think they need to pause and reflect more responsibly on what that duty really is. ... We need to stop drafting God into partisan service and start embracing the values we share," he said. "Jesus didn't just heal the sick if they had money to pay for it. We need to do the same."
All faiths "live by universal values, and much of it tries to address global issues: poverty, disease and despair," he said.
Poverty, desperation, and a lack of access to education and opportunity are reasons that often drive people toward terrorism and violence, Kerry said. That's where foreign aid can help.
I hope the full version is out there somewhere.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...part about Jesus healing the sick was in the Pepperdine speech, too. ..as well as a discussion about being 'my brother's keeper' which many Dems are now saying.
JK is truly a leader on this. He links ther Biblical teaching to the solutions of today's societal ills...which is in line with DEMOCRATIC Party principles.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...here: http://kerry.senate.gov/press/release/?id=8e4ddf57-bb9e-4b1a-bcf2-514ee5042c61
OMG...I just read the text. It IS the same speech. It is SO good...brought back memories just reading it.
karynnj
(59,923 posts)on things ranging from his own personal faith, the connection of faith to service, and the relations between faiths in the US and elsewhere.
It is interesting that he chose Pepperdine and Gordon for the two most personal speeches - given that they are both extremely conservative and very unlikely to have many students coming in with any great admiration or respect for him. I hope that they see the sincerity and leave with more respect for Kerry. More importantly, I hope that it leads them to try to see, not just Kerry, but some other Democrats, as having values - some of which could be shared. (In fairness, both sides demonize the other and don't even try to consider that - even if their policies seem completely awful - they might not be inherently evil.)
I think it interesting that Kerry speaks of wanting to have a discussion on just war. He did, back in 2009, have a hearing on the war powers act, but there has been nothing since then. I hope that is on his agenda for this year - and if not, that we hold the Senate. It might be easier (and less likely to be politicized ) after the election. No one in US government is more suited or prepared to lead that discussion.
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YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...the part about students not having great respect or admiration was just not evident at Pepperdine. The attendance was phenomenal at the speech and the audience was very respectful, even during the Q and A which touched on very divisive subjects like immigration (in California yet).
There was apparently a pretty large Pepperdine Young Democratic Club, too, which gave him a beautiful reception and welcomed the Senator enthusiastically. It was like a 2004 election rally...great to see.
(Shoutout to kerrygoddess for inviting me! One of my favorite days...ever. )
Karynnj, I agree with your comments on just war. This speech really lays the foundation for such a discussion. And I agree that no one is more suited or prepared than Senator Kerry to lead that discussion. However, in the context of a Presidential election this year, I think it is likely that President Obama would lead that discussion. And it could, very likely, come up during the election as the GOP candidate tries to beat down Obama's FP successes as CIC.
Preceding THAT discussion with a debate on faith/politics would really set the stage...
JMHO.
karynnj
(59,923 posts)and very glad to hear that he was welcomed as he was.
I agree that Obama may lead a discussion on going to war - especially if there is a gulf between him and the Republicans on Iran. I was thinking more of a war policy act type of debate, but you are right that the power to actually take the country to war really rests with the President - even though the Constitution splits the power. I do think it more likely that a serious, thoughtful discussion that rethinks the process and speaks to what the policy could happen after the election. It is also true that each President and Congress has the option to look at things differently.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...and was surprised at the support for the Senator.
I agree with your comments about a war policy debate. Do you remember all the times...when Senator Kerry was rallying young supporters (both in 2004 and later, when it seemed he might run again)...that Senator Kerry encouraged them to 'make your issues the voting issues' in the next campaign? I keep thinking about that and it seems that is what is happening. His issues...health care, sustainability for both the environment and the economy, and CHANGING what we do in war...are ALL the voting issues for 2012.
Health care...because the GOP wants to repeal "Obamacare" (hate that term).
Economy...because of the financial crisis, stark differences between DEMS and GOP have been made apparent.
Environment...still needs work, but XL pipeline debate and taxing oil is heating up the discussion.
War/Foreign Policy and our country's values...this speech lays out the foundation for that debate.
He IS a LEADER.
Inuca
(8,945 posts)including the Dem at the top, it's a reference that often appears in Obama's speeched. And in a way it synthesizes what being a liberal means. My mother (jewish, very liberal, even when having lefty ideas was very much frowned upon; she passed away less than a month ago ) used to say that Jesus was a communist.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...your mom, Inuca.
I am glad to hear Dems following JK's leadership on this. (As an aside...I keep wanting Obama to add 'He ain't Heavy, He's my Brother' by Neil Diamond to his playlist after his speeches. Shows my age... )
karynnj
(59,923 posts)The version I knew as a teen was by the Hollies - making me even older! I like Neil Diamond's version too.
For those who haven't heard it -
Hollies
( a young Neil Diamond )
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...for this. I, too, know the Hollies' version. ND is doing a concert in LA this August...another 'Hot, August Night'!
Edited to add...I saw him in concert twice. Once in the era of this version you posted, and again during the late 80's. This is the BEST.
karynnj
(59,923 posts)Last edited Thu Mar 22, 2012, 01:52 PM - Edit history (1)
This because he actually did say - Jesus did not help just the sick who could afford to pay for it, he said.
Read more: http://nation.foxnews.com/john-kerry/2012/03/20/kerry-tells-students-jesus-was-liberal#ixzz1ps0kp1PH
They apparently missed where he spoke of NOT enlisting God as supporting one side of partisan politics.
The Salem News covered it too - calling it "engaging" - http://www.salemnews.com/local/x1862283691/Sen-Kerry-talks-about-link-between-career-faith
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...but don't want to help Fox spread this crap.
karynnj
(59,923 posts)leads him to do - help the poor with health insurance or try to pass good environmental law - are things that liberal Christians believe. I don't know where Santorum got his version of Jesus.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...a lie.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...term 'lie' where it was mentioned that that word goes to the intent of the person making the misleading statement. In this case, FOX knew that JK never said those words, yet they fabricated this headline. They most definitely had the intent to mislead.
They lied.
karynnj
(59,923 posts)However, given that they then give Kerry's actual comments, it seems that THEY (not Kerry) are defining a person (or God) who would care about helping the poor and protecting the environment as a liberal. Yet, it is hard to ignore that the Biblical Jesus did care for the poor and the outcasts.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...the Pepperdine speech. And why I am so glad he is still making this case. It leads the way and creates the space for President Obama to have a REAL debate during the election that includes religion...while at the same time it keeps the RW from co-opting the issue as solely 'theirs.'
karynnj
(59,923 posts)(I saw this link on JK's facebook page - posted by someone who wrote:
"Love this man. Loved him when he ran and still love him now." and then put the link. (Can't watch it now - but thought others would want to see!)
http://bit.ly/GEIBAJ
MBS
(9,688 posts)and the poster's comment made my day!
Needless to say, Sen. Kerry's comments are thoughtful and knowledgeable, as always.
YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...so much. I've been away to SD for a day or so, and just came home to see this. Will watch it tonight.
MBS
(9,688 posts)YvonneCa
(10,117 posts)...wonderful. I'm dying to see how close it was to the one I saw at Pepperdine. That speech and the whole day was inspiring!
Inuca
(8,945 posts)APologies for periodically boring you with complaints about my lousy and ridiculousy expenisve satellite service. I periodically (like a few days ago) get my hopes up that I may find an alternative, but nothing works so far. I feel left out of the 21st century!
karynnj
(59,923 posts)Last edited Mon Mar 26, 2012, 05:29 PM - Edit history (1)
As Yvonne noted much of the content was the same impressive ideas and reflections from Pepperdine. But, almost beyond the content, his calling for finding common ground was there too - as was his call to activism. What seemed a little different, maybe because this was Massachusetts, was the tone. He spoke in a strong, but somewhat soft voice - as if in conversation with young friends or relatives. All of the questions were answered directly, honestly and with a lot of respect to the audience. The audience also applauded him more than the article would have suggested and laughed at his various jokes.
This was a speech of a man, secure in his own skin and place in history. At the end he told the kids - among other things to trust themselves, listen to their gut, connected to their heart.