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karynnj

(59,909 posts)
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 06:24 PM Jun 2014

Example of what has to be intentional media distortion - CBS this time

(Not the fault of the reporter)

Here is the link - http://t.co/HkRuiTdo5K

Here is the full test they wrote in the link with video:


Secretary of State John Kerry returned to Iraq for a second day of crisis talks. Asked in an interview with CBS News if the U.S. is willing to strike militant safe havens in Iraq and Syria, he said it would be a "complete and total act of irresponsibility for the President just to order a few strikes." Margaret Brennan reports.

Here is the full sentence from the State Department website:
It would be a complete and total act of irresponsibility for the President just to order a few strikes, but there’s no government, there’s no backup, there’s no military, there’s nothing there that provides the capacity for success.

On the TV, the full sentence was included, but anyone reading the CBS text online could easily hear this as "just a few strikes" being wrong because it is too little - and CBS makes it worse by tweeting:


CBS Evening News ‏@CBSEveningNews Jun 24
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"Complete & total act of irresponsibility for the President just to order a few strikes." @JohnKerry to @MargBrennan http://cbsn.ws/1nEag9G



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Example of what has to be intentional media distortion - CBS this time (Original Post) karynnj Jun 2014 OP
Cutting the sentences to make look Kerry as a warmonger mylye2222 Jun 2014 #1
It sets up a conflict between... YvonneCa Jun 2014 #2
Nice description of what seems to be their game karynnj Jun 2014 #3
Frankly, this type of things has been going for so long that I have stopped trusting ALL media Mass Jun 2014 #4
Same here karynnj Jun 2014 #5
In this circumstance, you're right, but I think this is a lot more endemic than that. Mass Jun 2014 #6
OT Mass. But next time you come to France. .. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #7
It is a nice place. I've been there in a previous life. Mass Jun 2014 #8
I Just sent you a private message. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #9
ditto on all counts MBS Jun 2014 #10
Exact. mylye2222 Jun 2014 #11
 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
1. Cutting the sentences to make look Kerry as a warmonger
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 06:29 PM
Jun 2014

while he his trying tu use every DIPLOMATIC ways to AVOID the ultimate (non) solution that are military strikes.....

Disgusting typical distortion......

Im a really SICK AND TIRED of this almost constant anti-Kerry media campaign.....SHAME ON THEM

YvonneCa

(10,117 posts)
2. It sets up a conflict between...
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 07:07 PM
Jun 2014

...Kerry and the President that doesn't exist in reality. Then the reporters can ask Kerry why he and the President are not on the same page about ____(insert issue or country here). They do this repeatedly.

This creating of a conflict works to give them a story to report on for their broadcast, but it is not the true story that they should be reporting...the FACTS of the given issue or situation. No wonder the general public (or media) don't get the Obama/Kerry foreign policy. It's the media's job to help explain it, but they aren't doing their job.

Sort of how they didn't report on the positives of the Kerry Campaign.
Shades of 2004...

karynnj

(59,909 posts)
3. Nice description of what seems to be their game
Thu Jun 26, 2014, 10:38 PM
Jun 2014

That and the "State Department had to walk back" various Kerry statements. The implication being that he tends to wander off the reservation when he is actually a very steady, very careful diplomat. ( Part of the reason they have always faulted him with being verbose is he tries to condition statements to make them precise and accurate.)

The strange thing is that it is VERY clear that the President has put him out front on a huge number of serious foreign policies - far more than HRC and even more than Biden.

The strange thing on them doing it on this story is that it is so dramatic and so fast moving that the real story would be exciting (though terrifying) to try to explain. This is NOT where we were in 2006, when the Iraqis settling their differences and working to create a government they could live with. They now have had Maliki - who Bush and his people essentially chose - who has been a very sectarian leader.

Just today, Iraq thanked Syria for bombing the rebels -- and they already are working with Iran. It almost seems as though Maliki sees his best path as aligning with the Shiites. The question is whether he can form a government that can do that. If they go that way -- we may have very limited options. The fact that there were reports today that the Sunnis who led the Sunni awakening do not want to fight ISIS with the US is also depressing. It gives us even LESS reason to want to help anyone in Iraq.

With all that going on -- they chose to make the story:
- The Obama/Kerry policy -- that each have articulated very clearly multiple times -- is not clear. Maybe it is because the policy is NOT what they thought it would be and it respects that we are not running the entire world.

- Many arguments on whether they should have left troops - and not just the 3,000 Obama spoke of but 20,000. (Their strange claim is that with us there, Maliki would not have thrown out Sunni generals etc. -- However, that would suggest that we would be controlling their government. ie occupation, which the troops left behind were NOT suppose to be.)

Mass

(27,315 posts)
4. Frankly, this type of things has been going for so long that I have stopped trusting ALL media
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 05:21 AM
Jun 2014

(not only the MSM but also bloggers and online media), Part of this is incompetence, part of this is sloppiness, and part of this is linked to Twitter and the very stupid idea of writing complex ideas in 140 characters that have to be as catchy as possible.

karynnj

(59,909 posts)
5. Same here
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 10:59 AM
Jun 2014

The sad thing is that at the very moment where we often have more access to the full primary sources. Even twitter is a mixed blessing - being able to quickly give links to full articles on subjects is good.

Here the problem was (I think) caused by the internet article where they easily could have quoted the full sentence. On twitter, they would have had to paraphrase the second half of the sentence - which they could have done. Yet, the article does have the actual broadcast which did have the full sentence, but not the full interview. I am glad the State Department seems to have made the decision to post transcripts. Knowing they are likely there, I will make an effort to look there when these things blow up.

What bothers me is that here there is a very delicate, possibly impossible foreign policy problem. I wonder if the US media, with their pretend or real inability to report the Obama foreign policy actually could hurt the effort. I don't know if other countries can use this - though it seemed given the Russian trolls and rt, directed at an English speaking population, that Russia put money behind that possibility.

It clearly may contribute to people not supporting it and that alone has to have some impact on Obama. I really don't get that they do not see that the primary message - whether Iraq, Ukraine, or Egypt - has been for the country, not the US, to form an inclusive government as step one. In Latin America, the same goal is seen in the comments that the Monroe Doctrine is no longer policy. The sad thing is that many of the strongest opponents on the left have demanded just that for years.

Though Kerry has said hundreds of times that the US should not pick the winners, that has been precisely what they have been accused of - with no proof - in all of these countries. (Ignoring that neither the MB or Sisi would have been on the US short list of who they wanted to run Egypt!)

I suspect the permanent negativity of the far left might be a result of Obama/Kerry arguing for limited air strikes on Syria after 1000 people were killed by chemical weapons. Few of them are willing to give either Kerry or Obama credit for the removal of chemical weapons. (The right meanwhile simply blames them for not bombing the hell out of Syria - claiming that makes them responsible that the killing continues. This ignores that the bombing would have not ended the war.)

In addition, I wonder if the Snowden mess pushed most of this discontent on the left. It was very sad to see many lefties cheering on the problems Kerry faced - especially in Latin America because of the disclosures. To me, the sad thing was that Kerry had a unique history there which could have helped and he seemed to be saying the right things. (The timing of releases has been hurtful and I suspect that Greenwald (if not Snowden as well) prefer Obama to fail and hope to push the US to elect someone like Rand Paul, who would be awful for anyone not rich.)

That discontent may be why DU in the main forums almost looks for the most negative spin in any article on Kerry's meetings and interviews. As to the country as a whole, I think the reason the Iraq numbers are not positive is that there are a number of people who disagree with what Obama is doing on either side. Scroll down to the question of whether Obama should do more, less or what he is doing. http://pollingreport.com/iraq.htm There is likely NO policy that would get over 50%. It is actually not bad that only 41% agree, with 29% wanting him to do more and 22% less. The "do more" comes from 29% of Independents and 53% of Republicans. Do less is almost the same by political affiliation. Obama has 63% of Democrats saying this is the right amount. The next question shows that 67% of the respondents do not think the goals have been explained clearly -- and this is impacted by the media.

(It does seem like 2004, when the media covered Kerry so poorly that many had no idea that he spoke of the environment in every stump speech -- and they professed an inability to understand that Kerry voted for a version of the supplemental bill that rolled back future tax cuts to the 1% to pay for it and voted against the version that added it to the debt. Not complicated at all -- and he explained it many times - including when he cast the vote and minutes before his unfortunate summary when asked the question again minutes after answering it. You could say his politeness hurt - as just saying" that was just answered, next question" would have avoided the sound bite.)

Mass

(27,315 posts)
6. In this circumstance, you're right, but I think this is a lot more endemic than that.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 02:44 PM
Jun 2014

I was in France these last few weeks and I could not avoid noting the difference in tone in the news reports between the two countries. In France, the news try to be as objective as ever, letting comments to opinion makers. In this country, it seems everybody confuses raw facts and comments.

I have to say I am starting to cringe when reading some of the bloggers I liked a lot. Is it possible to tell raw facts and let people decide what to think. I am so tired to seeing both parties start rethorical florishes in order to hide the truth. Sometimes, dems screw up and it would be better tor recognize it immediately. Sometimes, antisemitism is just antisemitism (and yes, Jean Marie Le Pen is an antisemite, but so are some Republicans and even some Democrats here). And sometimes, once in a while, talking to the other side would help people. So, it is a little bit disheartening when you see the rethoric on both sides (and I like a lot more our side than theirs, but still I'd like some openness rather than pure propaganda).

This said, I hope they will do nothing. I know the neo-cons are yelling that we need to go, but really? Are they enlisting to go?

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
7. OT Mass. But next time you come to France. ..
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:44 PM
Jun 2014

DONT HESITATATE to visit my Region.I live in Saint Étienne. Near Lyon. A bientôt! !!

Mass

(27,315 posts)
8. It is a nice place. I've been there in a previous life.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:48 PM
Jun 2014

I visited my folks that I had not seen for 4 years. My dad has Parkinson's and it is a relief that they do not need to worry about how to pay for his care. Some day, I will be able to come for longer and actually go to places. Unfortunately, it was not for this trip (aside driving my son to and from Bordeaux because he has to pass the oral for his Master and that the SNCF was on strike, we were able to do very little).

 

mylye2222

(2,992 posts)
9. I Just sent you a private message.
Fri Jun 27, 2014, 03:51 PM
Jun 2014

Are you free for some chat? Yes. .. and on MSm topic... well maybe are they objective on Kerry in France. .. but they did a disgusting bashing campaign against the railways steikers...

MBS

(9,688 posts)
10. ditto on all counts
Sat Jun 28, 2014, 08:40 AM
Jun 2014

I tend to think of the popularity of Twitter as a general sign of the decline and fall of civilization

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