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karynnj

(59,923 posts)
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:48 PM Feb 2012

The Obama compromise is in the NYT - women get free contraceptives

I guess Kerry gave the Obama administration more credit than I did (or than anyone else did here). Every condition in Kerry's statement is met. This is a win for everyone. The new plan is better than old in that it covers EVERY woman, even those directly working for the church

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Today, President Obama announced that his Administration will implement a policy that accommodates religious liberty while protecting the health of women. Today, nearly 99 percent of all women have used contraception at some point in their lives, but more than half of all women between the ages of 18-34 struggle to afford it.

Under the new policy announced today, women will have free preventive care that includes contraceptive services no matter where she works. The policy also ensures that if a woman works for religious employers with objections to providing contraceptive services as part of its health plan, the religious employer will not be required to provide contraception coverage but her insurance company will be required to offer contraceptive care free of charge.

The new policy ensures women can get contraception without paying a co-pay and addresses important concerns raised by religious groups by ensuring that objecting religious employers will not have to provide contraceptive coverage or refer women to organizations that provide contraception. Background on this policy is included below:
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Covering contraception saves money for insurance companies by keeping women healthy and preventing spending on other health services. For example, there was no increase in premiums when contraception was added to the Federal Employees Health Benefit System and required of non-religious employers in Hawaii. One study found that covering contraception lowered premiums by 10 percent or more.


http://www.nytimes.com/reuters/2012/02/10/us/politics/10reuters-usa-contraceptives-factsheet.html?ref=reuters

Now look back at what Kerry actually said:

In a statement, Kerry said, "I think the Administration is working towards a final rule that reflects a reasonable compromise. I think there's a way to protect everybody's interest here. I think you can implement it effectively in a way that protects women's access, but at the same time protects people's religious beliefs, and that should be everyone’s goal.""

II don't think it will make everybody happy - after all this will make Santorum and many others pretty sad.




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The Obama compromise is in the NYT - women get free contraceptives (Original Post) karynnj Feb 2012 OP
Cardnal George in Chicago Drale Feb 2012 #1
He can 'ignore' all he wants! elleng Feb 2012 #2
I want to opt out of paying taxes as they are used for shit I have religious objections to. Warren Stupidity Feb 2012 #3
Compromise Robbins Feb 2012 #4
They own hospitals becaus ethey financed and built them karynnj Feb 2012 #7
Ok Robbins Feb 2012 #8
if that is the "compromise" that the WH implements... mike_c Feb 2012 #5
It is his announcement and I don't see anyone who has to buy in on it karynnj Feb 2012 #6
That's just what I was thinking! :) ObamaKerryDem Feb 2012 #9
I'm glad that contraceptives remain free for all women. However -- beachmom Feb 2012 #10

Drale

(7,932 posts)
1. Cardnal George in Chicago
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:50 PM
Feb 2012

is talking about either dropping insurence for their employees or ignoring the ruling all together. You know I've always wanted to see a "holy man" dragged out of a church kicking a screeming.

elleng

(135,862 posts)
2. He can 'ignore' all he wants!
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:55 PM
Feb 2012

and yes, kicking and screaming would be good! How many employees would then be COMPLETELY UNINSURED???

Robbins

(5,066 posts)
4. Compromise
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:01 PM
Feb 2012

Republicans and Catholic Church leaders are losers.This hurts Santorum's war on Relgion claims on Obama.And CHurch leaders look
like the extremists here with them wanting all businesses able to deny coverage for birth control.

I personally believe churchs have no business owning anything besides Churchs.why Is Catholic Church able to own Hospitals?

karynnj

(59,923 posts)
7. They own hospitals becaus ethey financed and built them
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:44 PM
Feb 2012

Same reason for universities and charities.

Some of the charities are not conservative in the least. Google Catholic Worker and you will find liberal Catholic social justice organizations in the worst parts of town helping people.

mike_c

(36,332 posts)
5. if that is the "compromise" that the WH implements...
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:03 PM
Feb 2012

...it is indeed a win-win for everyone concerned. It's also another step closer to universal health care!

karynnj

(59,923 posts)
6. It is his announcement and I don't see anyone who has to buy in on it
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 01:36 PM
Feb 2012

I don't think it needs any Congressional approval. The church can not like it, but they have nothing to complain about. The drug companies will likely gain, while they are pushed to lower the cost. The insurance companies should have no problem as overall it lowered costs in the federal system, which is huge. Obviously, women gain. It is incredible that it starts to bend the cost curve,

Though there are some big losers - starting with Santorum.

ObamaKerryDem

(1,466 posts)
9. That's just what I was thinking! :)
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 04:05 PM
Feb 2012

I'm pretty pleased with this result--and so apparently is Planned Parenthood If anything, this feels more like the originally desired Single Payer plan, though I bet the Right will cry "socialism!" even more now, Santorum most likely especially. Oh well, let them! It will hurt them politically in the long run, imo.

In retrospect, while I obviously cannot speak for the Senator, I'd be willing to bet this or something like it is most likely what he was getting at with his original statements about this. I think if he had mentioned something a bit more specific like this, there wouldn't have been quite as much upset though to be fair, he probably couldn't have known what was or was not specifically being put on the table in regards to this "compromise" as he was not in the "Secret Meetings" at the WH with the clergy members, etc. And it really wasn't "on him" to take a concrete position as this wasn't up to the Senate at that point (and still isn't, at least not thus far), though more specifics I think would've helped the perception of his statements...but hey, can't agree on or have everything all the time I guess! I am glad however that this "compromise"--while I still support and had no problem with the original provision--is much more Kerry than Santorum!

I am also so proud of the President and his bold, steadfast statement today! He's the big winner in this situation, imo.

beachmom

(15,239 posts)
10. I'm glad that contraceptives remain free for all women. However --
Sun Feb 12, 2012, 07:53 PM
Feb 2012

this entire situation has horrified me. I guess I am a secular minded person, and don't feel that religious organizations should be granted so much power. The Republicans are still pushing this issue (seriously, how is being against birth control good politics?), so we'll see how nuts this country is in the upcoming polls and ultimately in November. I think the onus is on "Moral objectors" to explain HOW birth control is immoral given that 99% of American women and 98% of American Catholic women have used them throughout the course of their lives. I think religious "objections" should be as rigorously debated as any ideologue's objections. In this case, they fail the test immediately and should have been laughed out of the public square. Saying "it's my religion" is not a good enough reason to skirt the law.

Digby has some good posts up about this, particularly this one:

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/one-more-thing.html

I think the power structure described in the post clearly have a lot of sway over John Kerry as well.

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