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The Aztec Culture has a deep and rich history that not many people know about. The people of this vast empire were very intellectual and developed deep political and social organizations, as well as commercial and religious influences throughout their rule. They conquered many parts of Mesoamerica, what we know today as Mexico and some parts of Central America. They came into power around 1345 and were mercilessly taken out of power by the Spanish Conquistador Hernan Cortes in 1521.
This great empire would go on to create a deeply rich culture as well as much innovation for the world today. The Aztecs had many gods that were associated with everything in life. They had deeply religious values that affected everything around them. Aztecs were very innovative with architecture and agriculture. They were very clean and smart people who went to school every day and even bathed multiple times a day. The Aztec Empire reached a great height in its time but many things lead to the downfall of this great ancient civilization.
Ancient Aztec Calendars
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The Aztecs had a very intricate calendar system it actually consisted of two different calendars. One was called Tonalpohualli also known as "The Counting Of The Days", which consisted of a 265-day cycle. The other calendar was called Xiuhpohualli or "Counting Of The Years", which consisted of a 365-day cycle.
Both calendars held important meaning within each day and thus had a different symbol and meaning to that day. Every 52 years each calendar would align its first days and was a celebration day for the Aztecs called 'The Binding of The Years' ceremony which they would make religious sacrifices on that day.
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Karadeniz
(23,426 posts)Judi Lynn
(162,388 posts)Did the Vikings Actually Torture Victims With the Brutal Blood Eagle?
New research reveals the feasibility of the infamous execution method
David M. Perry and Matthew Gabriele
December 6, 2021
In popular lore, few images are as synonymous with Viking brutality as the blood eagle, a practice that allegedly found torturers separating the victims ribs from their spine, pulling their bones and skin outward to form a set of wings, and removing their lungs from their chest cavity. The execution method shows up twice in the popular History Channel drama series Vikings as a ritual reserved for the protagonists worst enemies, Jarl Borg and King Ælla, a fictionalized counterpart to the actual Northumbrian ruler. In the video game Assassins Creed: Valhalla, Ivarr the Boneless, a character based on the Viking chieftain who invaded the British Isles in the ninth century C.E., performs the blood eagle on his nemesis, King Rhodri.
These representations take their cue from medieval sources written in both Old Norse and Latin. In each of the extant nine accounts, the victim is captured in battle and has an eagle of some sort carved into their back. Some references to the torture are terse. Others are more graphic, aligning with the extreme versions depicted in contemporary popular culture. Either way, the rituals appearance in these texts is intended to send a message tied to honor and revenge.
Experts have long debated whether the blood eagle was a literary trope or an actual punishment. The sources are often vague, referencing legendary figures of dubious veracity or mixing up accepted historical chronology. Unless archaeologists find a corpse bearing clear evidence of the torture, well likely never know.
If the Vikings did perform the blood eagle, does that mean the Middle Ages were as brutish, nasty and dark as stereotypes suggest? The answer is complex. Vikings, like many medieval people, could be spectacularly violent, but perhaps not more so than other groups across a range of time periods. The work of scholars is to understand how this violence fit into a complex societyand a new study does just that.
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For Ivarr the Boneless, the feared Viking portrayed in Assassins Creed: Valhalla, the Old Norse Knútsdrápa simply says, And Ívarr, who ruled at York, had Ællas back cut with an eagle. (This succinct description has led some scholars to posit that an actual eagle was used to slice open the Northumbrian kings back.) Other sources detail the practice more fully. Haralds Saga, from the Orkney Islands, states that Viking Earl Torf-Einar had his enemys ribs cut from the spine with a sword and the lungs pulled out through the slits in his back. He dedicated the victim to Odin as a victory offering.
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https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/did-the-vikings-actually-torture-victims-with-the-brutal-blood-eagle-180979148/
Karadeniz
(23,426 posts)Vikings, but their foreign policy of massacreing monasteries isn't endearing! We're far from perfect, but we're improving!!!
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Deuxcents
(19,745 posts)The Aztecs, Mayan and Incan civilizations have always been intriguing to me as still today, we have so many traditions that they had. For instance educating the children no matter their station in life. This post was exceptionally interesting
Judi Lynn
(162,388 posts)Unfortunately, learning More about the great civilizations in the "New World" has always been pushed aside until our technology is improving to the point, with ground, jungle, forest-penetrating LIDAR, it has been more or less thrown in our faces to be confronted! So many civilizations are springing into view from the tip of Chile to the North Pole!
They'll be running out of excuses for ignoring the multitudes of people who've lived in the Western Hemisphere from the beginning, in no time at all, regardless of the fact they are not blond and blue eyed, like the portraits of "The Christ!"
It's a wonderful time for those of us who really want to learn, to be alive!
Thank you, so much.
Deuxcents
(19,745 posts)They had the Lost Civilization of the Maya and now the city of Machu Picchu. Im getting lots of information on my interests in these people from so long ago. And, yes, I agree about our lack of knowledge about these civilizations when we share the same hemisphere. Ive watched programs where technology has progressed that discoveries are made about people and places not recorded by humans and long forgotten in the jungles of Central America. To me, its amazing.
TlalocW
(15,625 posts)A few of the pictures are from Teotihuacan which was not Aztec but already abandoned and named by the Aztecs when they discovered it. It means, "the place where gods are created."
The Mexican flag shows an eagle eating a serpent while sitting on a cactus. This was the supposed sign the Aztecs were to look for that would let them know to stop being nomadic and to build a city.
One of my Spanish professors had an interesting interpretation. He thinks that the nobles and priest were tired of being nomadic, and when they got to Lake Texoco, they saw the eagle-serpent-cactus combo, and they huddled together and decided they would just tell everyone that it was a sign from the gods, and the working class needed to start building a city.
Part of the legend also says that a priest jumped into the lake and talked to the water god (and my namesake) Tlaloc, who verified that, yep, that was the symbol all right.
Enoki33
(1,605 posts)the very enlightening post, and also the many other fascinating ones.
Judi Lynn
(162,388 posts)Thanks for taking the time to look through it as we hope daily to see totally new revelations looming into view to shed some light on a very murky past!
IbogaProject
(3,655 posts)We know Columbus and his men were savage. But can we trust their or the Church's stories about them?
Judi Lynn
(162,388 posts)filtered through the eyes of people who've swallowed history as explained to us by the very people who nearly vaporized the very citizens who built these civilizations in the first place, after destroying as much as they could of the culture which went before the Europeans invaded, murdered, tortured, enslaved, massacred, and doomed any survivors to a future of horrendous race hatred, until well into our futures.
In Bolivia, the Spanish descendants call the citizens "llama abortions" and throughout the Americas they are also called "fuckin' Indians."
We can be almost guaranteed we just won't be given an honest account for a long time to come. Gotta try to fill in the blanks ourselves, if possible! That doesn't help a lot, but it does help to realize what we can learn of European real behavior through the centuries of sadistic, brutal control of the beaten down, exploited, and abused indigenous population.
You might remember the bizarre paintings, drawings, etc. made by Europeans portraying the strange creatures they saw when they originally invaded this Hemisphere, even the US Americans. My God! I'm surprised they even bothered to depict them walking upright!
They must have been so proud as they burned up not only the writings of the native people, but also the native people, themselves! Just like the imagined "witches" in Europe. (Who can forget their drawing and quartering of greatly revered Inca kings and leaders in front of their countrymen and women?)
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