Just curious about the roll call

[question everything]

not being a parliamentarian..

In 2008, when it was New York turn - in the middle of the alphabet more or less - Clinton approached the stage and suggested that Obama would be nominated by acclimation (is this the term?)

Now they waited all the way to the end, Vermont (I think that Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming leaped frog) for Sanders to do the same.

What would have been the alternative? Sitting with a calculator to tally the votes and then declare Clinton the winner?

On MSNBC, I think, they said that while we saw the tally on the TV screen, the delegates in the arena did not. Did not know that S. Dakota put her on top (kinda hard to believer with everyone smartphone connected to the word, sitll..)

Just wondering..

[Squinch]

1. I believe, and anyone please correct me if I am wrong, that what she did

was essentially say, "Oh, screw the roll call. We can all agree that he is the candidate, can't we?" She did it in the middle of the count, which was basically saying, "I trust that this is so and we don't have to go through the rest of this process and let's get behind him."

Bernie said the same, but he said it after the entire roll call was done.

I would imagine that was something that both camps agreed to, because some of the Bernie people had been saying that they wouldn't accept his loss till the roll call proved it.

On some sites *ahem* there were people who were still certain that Bernie would win the roll call and Hillary would not allow it to happen because she knew that he would win it. And, you know, she was being dastardly and stuff.

I know. I know.

[yallerdawg]

2. And there was no reaction to S. Dakota's historic vote?

The whole thing was very bizarre.

[Blue Idaho]

3. Each convention is different.

In this case - I'm pretty sure Bernie had a commitment to his peeps to have "every vote count." So a motion to vote HRC the candidate by acclimation somewhere in the middle of the process wasn't going to happen. In fact you did not hear Bernie move to vote by acclimation but to have the votes recorded. It was a nice cozy moment but it really did nothing as far as HRC's win goes. In 2008, HRC moved for vote by acclimation during the roll call - probably for the sake of party unity and her future run for president.

As far as parliamentary rules go - anyone can move to vote "by acclimation" at anytime during a roll call vote. If the motion succeeds, the voting stops and the results are recorded to reflect a win by acclimation. If it fails, the roll call continues.

[TeamPooka]

4. This was about Bernie getting all his votes counted. Once the process was done he "stopped" it

then took one last curtain call and standing O before saying that Clinton, who had already won by vote total, should be made the winner.
It was gracious but also self serving.

[Fla Dem]

5. My understanding was it was one more concession the DNC made to Bernie, that all the delegates

he won, their votes(which represented the votes of the people) would be counted and recognized. This and other concessions were done to ensure there would be no demonstrations at the convention.

Unfortunately while Bernie may think he can control his Revolution, it has turned out otherwise. Thankfully there has been no real ugly demonstrations, but the continued booing during the opening of the convention, particularly when a majority of the speakers were Black Women, and the catcalls and booing during the invocation, again by a Black Woman I thought was particularly disgusting.

Then all the stupid tape over their mouths which of course the media zeroed in on, and then yesterday after HRC won the nomination......................

Bernie Sanders Supporters Storm Out of Convention in Protest
Maya Rhodan/Philadelphia @m_rhodan Updated: July 26, 2016 10:45 PM

Outrage at a process they consider unfair

When the Bernie Sanders‘ hopes of winning the Democratic nomination officially ended inside of the Democratic Convention hall Tuesday, his most ardent supporters took their fury outside.

Sanders delegates and supporters from across the U.S.—California, Wyoming, Utah, you name it—walked out of the arena in protest. “Show me what Democracy looks like,” they chanted, hoisting Bernie signs above the sea of heads heading toward the exit. “This is what democracy looks like.” As the crowd shuffled along, a woman in a red dress said aloud, “They just signed the whole nomination over to Trump.”

In the end, Sanders was the one to make a motion to give the nomination to Clinton, after spending weeks telling his supporters to vote for her. But the emotions of many of his delegates were raw. They were convinced the fires of revolution they’d sparked had been doused by the powers that be in the Democratic Party—a feeling that was stoked by the release of 20,000 hacked DNC emails.

“He made a commitment to run for president. He had made a commitment to contest this convention. He hadn’t conceded. He hadn’t suspended. He hadn’t released us. And he told us that he would be grateful for our vote” said Jim Boydston, a delegate from California. “And then he just handed it off.”

More>>>>>>>>>>
http://time.com/4425475/dnc-bernie-sanders-protest-walkout-convention/

Children who don't want to play by the rules, and Bernie set that attitude.

[NurseJackie]

6. Off-topic ... and just curious ... Does Larry Sanders (Bernie's brother) have Parkinsons disease, or

... Spasmodic dysphonia? Or maybe the audio feed that I was watching was flawed. His voice sounded a little "clipped" or distorted, and it made me wonder if he had an affliction that I didn't know about, or was it just a technical glitch?

[CajunBlazer]

7. There are a lots of parlemantary ways to skin that cat if you already know the results

One of those ways you saw in the nominating the VP candidate. Since there was one and only one VP candidate, the person at the podium requested that a motion be made to set aside convention rules and approve the nomination of Kaine as the VP candidate by a two thirds voice vote.

That motion was made and seconded and then, in the opinion of the chair was approved by a 2/3 voice vote. That cut out the possibility that someone on the floor would try to put Sanders' name in nomination for the VP position. It also avoided everyone having to listen to nomination and seconding speeches for Kaine and a state by state roll call vote - which some Sanders supporters would have surely tried to sabotage. This is the way it is usually done for the VP nomination because it has long been the practice that the Presidential candidate gets to pick his/her VP running mate.

However, they could have tried to do that with Presidential nomination as well, thought it probably would have caused a riot. The reason they allowed for Sanders' name to be put in nomination, to have nominating and seconding speeches for him, and to have a roll call vote was out of respect for Sanders and his supporters. In my humble opinion it was exactly the right thing to do under the circumstance.

I didn't watch that part of the Republican convention but they certainly didn't allow for Cruz's or Rubio's or Kasich's names to be put into nomination and I doubt if they had a roll call vote.

[question everything]

8. Interesting. Thank you.

The DNC and the Clinton campaign certainly bent backward, way backward to accommodate at least Sanders. I don't know what else they could have done for his delegates many of whom, I am convinced, have never considered themselves Democrats.