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realmirage

(2,117 posts)
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 02:18 AM Jun 2016

When the uninformed Hillary bashing makes you want to live in the woods. Alone. Forever.

I'm an academic, so educating myself in detail on the issues is my line of work, rather than grabbing on to talking points or cheap slogans that sound good but have no basis in reality. I sometimes try to share information with the more vocal, less informed critics. I try to be reasonable, hoping facts will make a difference. It doesn't work. People want to feel right, regardless of whether they are actually right. That's a human instinct. I get it. Being wrong in an argument feels terrible, and people will ignore any information in order to avoid that feeling.

She's going to be one of the smartest, most capable presidents we'll ever see, and yet there's so many people that are blinded by cheap headlines and ridiculous accusations they have swallowed whole. And amidst all this she's making history. But hating and feeling right feels too good to wake up to the reality of the moment.

So I don't really know what I'm saying here. Maybe I shouldn't say shit to those who hate Hillary. Maybe I shouldn't try to spread information. It feels pointless. Perhaps all there is, is to hope that enough people already know. Enough to get her elected. Right now it looks that way. That's good, because I'm burned out.

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When the uninformed Hillary bashing makes you want to live in the woods. Alone. Forever. (Original Post) realmirage Jun 2016 OP
the right wing has been trashing her for 26 years. unfortunatley DesertFlower Jun 2016 #1
And their attacks never succeed realmirage Jun 2016 #16
but too many people believe them. DesertFlower Jun 2016 #17
But not enough to win : ) realmirage Jun 2016 #24
i hope you're right. DesertFlower Jun 2016 #26
Hillary is going to win.. in spite of those who disingenuously tear her down. Cha Jun 2016 #2
No truer words spoken. William769 Jun 2016 #10
William! Cha Jun 2016 #11
Been waiting since before 08 to see this woman lead our country realmirage Jun 2016 #18
She is tempered steel--she's been through fire and come out stronger than ever. nt MADem Jun 2016 #3
Excellent analogy, MADem! Cha Jun 2016 #4
We should start stating this more often, have changed my signature line, thanks, if you Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #8
Not at all! MADem Jun 2016 #27
Indeed realmirage Jun 2016 #19
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #5
The same people who media-bash 24/7 are the first ones to use them as "sources" for nonsense. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #6
But their agenda was being stoked... so suddenly yay! we love conservative media/resources! Her Sister Jun 2016 #7
That is so on point. It happens here constantly. realmirage Jun 2016 #20
As to your second point... teamster633 Jun 2016 #12
Germane observation: Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #14
Kick & highly Recommended! William769 Jun 2016 #9
Thanks W7. Had a bad day. But back in force. realmirage Jun 2016 #21
So well said...massive K & R. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #13
Thanks Surya. We all have our days where we want to strangle the stupid out of stupid. realmirage Jun 2016 #22
K&R! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #15
You're right. Had a shitty day as we all do. I'm back on the saddle. realmirage Jun 2016 #23
Well it does feel good to support her and be a fully informed person ismnotwasm Jun 2016 #25
The unsinkable HRC gwheezie Jun 2016 #28
I keep trying in case there is one person willing to see the truth, and do a little homework Lucinda Jun 2016 #29
I watched MSNBC Jamaal510 Jun 2016 #30
 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
16. And their attacks never succeed
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:27 PM
Jun 2016

Gotta be thankful that enough people are sane enough to see through it

Cha

(305,406 posts)
2. Hillary is going to win.. in spite of those who disingenuously tear her down.
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 03:15 AM
Jun 2016

We just have to keep continuing to have patience, realmirage~

Thank you so much for supporting Hillary~

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
18. Been waiting since before 08 to see this woman lead our country
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:31 PM
Jun 2016

I can't wait to see what she can do as president. I've seen so many good candidates lose against cro-mag republicans that I still don't want to start counting my chickens. But I have hope this year.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
8. We should start stating this more often, have changed my signature line, thanks, if you
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:52 AM
Jun 2016

object let me know.

Response to realmirage (Original post)

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
6. The same people who media-bash 24/7 are the first ones to use them as "sources" for nonsense.
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:32 AM
Jun 2016

I always found that rather curious.

Can't trust the lamestream media.
Can't trust the lamestream media.
Can't trust the lamestream media.
Can't trust the lamestream media.
Hey, here's a Fox News link about the latest minutiae in the Judicial Watch case. It's 100% accurate!!!!

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
7. But their agenda was being stoked... so suddenly yay! we love conservative media/resources!
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 08:37 AM
Jun 2016

We wanna appear in Fox News 24/7. Let's debate there again and again.

Watch and use Fox news as expert in everything to do with HRC!

 

realmirage

(2,117 posts)
20. That is so on point. It happens here constantly.
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 06:34 PM
Jun 2016

In fact it happened to me today. Same person I see trashing the media, when wanting to make a point links said media and treats it like the word of heaven.

teamster633

(2,032 posts)
12. As to your second point...
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 12:02 PM
Jun 2016

I find it curious that he, whose name shall not be spoken, continues to show up in the news so frequently. He's lost his bid for the nomination by every metric, so how is his opinion on our Platform/Convention anymore relevant that Ted Cruz's opinion on the mechanics of the rEpublican Platform/Convention. Thankfully, you don't see Ted's smarmy face all over the TV anymore, but why is the runner-up of our primary taken so seriously while theirs is not. Certainly, there is plenty of chaos across the aisle if that was truly their only interest. I'm sure "Lying Ted" has equally valid opinions on the direction his party is appears to be taking.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
14. Germane observation:
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jun 2016
I find it curious that he, whose name shall not be spoken, continues to show up in the news so frequently. He's lost his bid for the nomination by every metric, so how is his opinion on our Platform/Convention anymore relevant that Ted Cruz's opinion on the mechanics of the rEpublican Platform/Convention.


VERY curious, indeed.

DemonGoddess

(5,123 posts)
15. K&R!
Mon Jun 27, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jun 2016

The reason to KEEP doing what you're doing, IMO, is that at some point, someone is going to unstop their ears, open their eyes (when reading) and actually LISTEN to you.

ismnotwasm

(42,454 posts)
25. Well it does feel good to support her and be a fully informed person
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 07:39 PM
Jun 2016

I don't argue here much, but my opinions are fully informed when it comes to something as important as POTUS. With Hillary, I can acknowledge her flaws, praise where she excels (so many areas) and am very comfortable in my own skin. I have no need to rely on conspiracy, old-- or new-- Rightwing bullit points, or blow-hard pundits or sanctimonious Op-eds.

Real, verifiable information is out there. It's a feeling like right after fresh spring shower to access it, to acknowledge it and to understand it. I dislike feeling uninformed or worse, rely on faulty reasoning and logical falicies.

I'm reasonably intelligent and I like feeling that way too--so it's good be be around people who can fairly and maturely analyze information. I avoid ones who can't unless I'm very bored.

I "get" certain criticisms of Hillary. I don't get hate, hyperbole, or just plain bullshit.

So I feel ya.



gwheezie

(3,580 posts)
28. The unsinkable HRC
Tue Jun 28, 2016, 09:11 PM
Jun 2016

I was in a ridiculous argument with a stranger explaining that the sec of state does not command marines but it was pointless. Somehow we have to step up when one of us tires and present reality to the brainwashed.

Lucinda

(31,170 posts)
29. I keep trying in case there is one person willing to see the truth, and do a little homework
Wed Jun 29, 2016, 02:24 AM
Jun 2016

When I get weary of the seemingly willful ignorance, I take a break and realize shes been dealing with this forever. And she is going to be an excellent POTUS.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
30. I watched MSNBC
Thu Jun 30, 2016, 03:25 PM
Jun 2016

yesterday afternoon while doing my workout routine, and they were discussing the poll numbers again. They said that while 42% of voters are for HC and 40% are for the Trumpanzee, most of the respondents believe that neither of them would be good presidents. That doesn't make sense to me, and it looks like yet another piece of an anti-HC agenda on a supposed left-leaning network. I should seriously consider cutting back even more on my TV news.

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