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liberal N proud

(60,936 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:21 AM Jun 2016

Trump is why Super Delegates are a good thing

Super Delegates would have prevented Trump from taking over the Republican Party such as he has.

The Berners and Sanders himself want to eliminate the Super Delegates for future Democratic Primaries. I hope that Trump serves as an example of exactly why that would be a disastrous idea.


Keep the Super Delegates! PLEASE, for the sake of the Party and the United States of America.

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Trump is why Super Delegates are a good thing (Original Post) liberal N proud Jun 2016 OP
100% Her Sister Jun 2016 #1
They don't care because they are self absorbed liberal N proud Jun 2016 #2
Wow! I just edited to add more, very similar to your point. Her Sister Jun 2016 #3
The Republicans are kicking themselves for not having superdelegates. Koinos Jun 2016 #4
You bet they're kicking themselves.. and envying the hell out of us. "Look @ those Dems.. Cha Jun 2016 #13
Another thing that would BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #5
+1000! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #10
I can't believe that they have not BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #15
I know that I first sent an email DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #16
Good for you ... BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #18
The people who want to steal our party are too lazy to build their own. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #6
Yeah, really poor attempt to hijack our Democratic Party by Cha Jun 2016 #9
They've insulted themselves into a corner. BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #11
Yep. Cha Jun 2016 #14
I've been thinking that throughout the process... Blanks Jun 2016 #7
Excellent Point, liberal N proud. The gop asked trump to extend empathy to the Cha Jun 2016 #8
^^^AMEN to this!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #12
They need to stay, was put on to prevent a hostile takeover of the party, Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #17
This might be the one silver lining in tRump's candidacy... teamster633 Jun 2016 #19
Exactly DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #20
You said it all. murielm99 Jun 2016 #21
Exactly!! nt eastwestdem Jun 2016 #22
 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
1. 100%
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:25 AM
Jun 2016

but BS and his supporters don't seem to understand that or maybe they don't care!?

BS is asking for things that makes it seem the Democratic System in place was rigged and he really should be the nominee. It's all about him. He doesn't seem to take the time to try to figure out why he did not capture more of the POC vote, older voters and Democrats. Not it wasn't him, it was us.

Koinos

(2,798 posts)
4. The Republicans are kicking themselves for not having superdelegates.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:36 AM
Jun 2016

They could have stopped Trump and installed whomever else. Instead, they are stick with a nominee from hell.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
13. You bet they're kicking themselves.. and envying the hell out of us. "Look @ those Dems..
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:03 AM
Jun 2016

why're they so smart?!"..

Experience.. we learn from our mistakes.

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
5. Another thing that would
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:39 AM
Jun 2016

have helped is for Republicans to get rid of winner-take-all primaries. There were some primaries where GOP challengers were actually quite close to Trump, but they received NO delegates whatsoever because those primaries were winner-take-all.

IMO, both parties should create similar primary systems:

- ALL caucuses should be eliminated and replaced with primaries
- ALL primaries should be closed (primaries are where the members of the party - not outsiders - choose their candidate)
- ALL primaries should have delegates awarded to candidates in proportion to the votes they receive

As for SDs, they are a double-stopgap safety measure in the case where proportional allocation of pledged delegates may lead to a ridiculous outcome. But if the first three steps are instituted as above, SDs could be considered superfluous.

Of course, if SDs are eliminated altogether, then the magic number for winning any nomination should = 51% of the pledged delegates from the primary outcome, never what some have advocated for in this election: that the 2016 magic number of 2,383 for the Dems should consist of pledged delegates alone.

Math does not seem to be a strong point for any of Hillary's adversaries.



DemonGoddess

(5,108 posts)
10. +1000!
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:59 AM
Jun 2016

Since the Democratic Party is calling for OPEN suggestions for the platform, I hope you submitted this. Maybe put a document together that says exactly this, and have a bunch of us sign it with you?

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
15. I can't believe that they have not
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:14 AM
Jun 2016

already received hundreds - if not thousands - of suggestions exactly like these, LOL!

I have actually discussed these proposals with MD Dem party members with whom I worked on Hillary's campaign while in the US from Feb-April and they have all been in agreement one hundred percent! I know that the MD Dem state and county chairs will all be working with the DNC.

But MD is one state where the voting system is not only easily understood, it works very well. Some states among the 49 others need more convincing and transparency. Ultimately, the DNC has to work with ALL of them, which is another thing that Bernie doesn't understand, having never been a Dem until 2015.

DemonGoddess

(5,108 posts)
16. I know that I first sent an email
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:44 AM
Jun 2016

to the DNC and my state party expressing my preferences, and then sent another stating the same in May.

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
18. Good for you ...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jun 2016

right now, I think that these ideas are included in the collective consciousness of the Dem Party.

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
6. The people who want to steal our party are too lazy to build their own.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:41 AM
Jun 2016

They KNOW they can't build a coalition through their usual tactics of berating and insulting anyone who is not already a True Believer like they are. That's why they're trying to hijack our existing coalition, because it's strong and gets results. The Purity Party? They've got zero to show for decades of posturing and complaining.

Good riddance!

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
11. They've insulted themselves into a corner.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:01 AM
Jun 2016

And they don't know how to apologize, so they're stuck there until they learn.

Blanks

(4,835 posts)
7. I've been thinking that throughout the process...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:45 AM
Jun 2016

The democrats are responsible for selecting their candidate for the GE. It's a way to prevent a candidate from becoming the nominee who got a bunch of bad press after enough of the primaries have been held to secure the nomination.

I think it's a good system.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
8. Excellent Point, liberal N proud. The gop asked trump to extend empathy to the
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:57 AM
Jun 2016

loved ones of the Orlando victims and then shut the hell up.. but, of course, that didn't happen.

They are struck with a ticking time bomb that has already gone off several times.. the worst is yet to come.

You don't think they would like to have better control over that situation instead of leaving it to the raging racist teabagger primary voters.

Thank you.

& too bad what BS wants.. he lost.. and not just lost but a poor loser.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
17. They need to stay, was put on to prevent a hostile takeover of the party,
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:59 AM
Jun 2016

After seeing the GOP struggling this would make another reason to keep the super delegates. I would like to see the caucuses go away, it is a form of voter suppression and to close the primaries to registered Democrats after all it is a DNC primaries.

teamster633

(2,032 posts)
19. This might be the one silver lining in tRump's candidacy...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:45 AM
Jun 2016

...Bernie's push to eliminate super delegates might have gained a lot more traction without tRump as a counterpoint. In the vacuum of a typical campaign, the proposition might have sounded pretty good, like so many "ideals"...good in theory...not so good in practice.

DemonGoddess

(5,108 posts)
20. Exactly
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:24 PM
Jun 2016

All we need to do is point to Trump as to why to KEEP the SDs. He is also a good thing to point to, as to why we need to have CLOSED contests, period.

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