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Sanders is advocating open primaries. (Original Post) LiberalFighter Jun 2016 OP
Cold day in hell. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #1
He knew the rules when he got in this race. redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #2
He only wants rules that favor him. displacedtexan Jun 2016 #5
Didn't secretary clinton win more open primes than bernie Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #9
yep. She beat him in every possible type of measurement. displacedtexan Jun 2016 #12
lol Cha Jun 2016 #38
^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Jun 2016 #14
Yep, and Bernie did not saw a word about getting rid of caucuses. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #30
Democratic party Members only.......thanks. stonecutter357 Jun 2016 #3
And I want my dissertation written by the gods La Lioness Priyanka Jun 2016 #4
Good luck with that one :-) redstatebluegirl Jun 2016 #7
LOL! I knew a bunch of folks who felt that way. leftofcool Jun 2016 #11
Glad they cut away from that bullsht Ohioblue22 Jun 2016 #6
How do open primaries improve or benefit the Democratic Party with voters who don't want to be BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #8
Ditto!!! I agree. Open primaries just encourage the other party to muck around and skylucy Jun 2016 #36
I don't understand the logic in letting people other than Democrats determine the Democratic Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #10
Agreed. athena Jun 2016 #44
Yeah, let's make major changes to the process so spooky3 Jun 2016 #13
They may drum me out of my state for saying it but... teamster633 Jun 2016 #29
That is interesting. I suppose the reason it hasn't yet spooky3 Jun 2016 #34
And unfortunately, NH would fight like hell to prevent it. teamster633 Jun 2016 #37
Bingo. kstewart33 Jun 2016 #31
Blech! I'm ok with retiring the caucus, though. Did he mention that? Rose Siding Jun 2016 #15
Nope. He's not going to. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #16
Wonder if he's even aware that the states get to set the rules, not the DNC Rose Siding Jun 2016 #18
Sanders isn't even aware of how to fulfill his own policies so I doubt it. SaschaHM Jun 2016 #19
He's chosen an issue that's un-winnable. Rose Siding Jun 2016 #21
No way!!!!! Little Star Jun 2016 #17
I'm a little surprised he didn't advocate open caucuses in all jurisdictions jmowreader Jun 2016 #20
No! The Democratic Party is for Democrats, not spoilers SharonClark Jun 2016 #22
He lost. The press doesn't was to waste airtime on the runner up. procon Jun 2016 #23
I didn't see any of this but wonder whether spooky3 Jun 2016 #35
Don't think he will convince the DNC for open primaries FloridaBlues Jun 2016 #24
No.Fucking.Way. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #25
did he also advocate no more caucuses Fresh_Start Jun 2016 #26
Sanders is very self serving Gothmog Jun 2016 #46
I don't want Republicans voting for my nominees - It's not just for President OKNancy Jun 2016 #27
I translated Bernie's speech and got hidden LuvLoogie Jun 2016 #28
That's a pretty silly hide. TwilightZone Jun 2016 #32
lol! Perfect words, yours! Her Sister Jun 2016 #33
Gave it a rec anyway! misterhighwasted Jun 2016 #39
I thought you were way too nice in that post. displacedtexan Jun 2016 #42
He should have just hitched himself to the GOPTea Party. They have open primaries. misterhighwasted Jun 2016 #40
No. I don't want non-Democrats choosing our nominee. Stand and Fight Jun 2016 #41
Not impressed with this attempt at entryism. Ellen Forradalom Jun 2016 #43
We need to get rid of caucuses Gothmog Jun 2016 #45
It's an open invitation to Operation Chaos Freddie Jun 2016 #47

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
5. He only wants rules that favor him.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:26 PM
Jun 2016

Actual Democrats actually voting in actually closed party primaries don't favor him.

kstewart33

(6,551 posts)
30. Yep, and Bernie did not saw a word about getting rid of caucuses.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:37 PM
Jun 2016

Talk about an undemocratic process.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
8. How do open primaries improve or benefit the Democratic Party with voters who don't want to be
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jun 2016

Democrats to begin with? It doesn't make sense - unless, of course, your goal is to merge the fringe political Parties with one of the strongest major political Party and try to take over from within which, again, doesn't benefit the Democratic Party. So, it's not just no, it's HELL NO.

skylucy

(3,851 posts)
36. Ditto!!! I agree. Open primaries just encourage the other party to muck around and
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jun 2016

make mischief. Why would we want Republicans to be able to vote in Dem primaries?

Arkansas Granny

(31,810 posts)
10. I don't understand the logic in letting people other than Democrats determine the Democratic
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:28 PM
Jun 2016

nominee. If you want to have a say in the selection, register as a Democrat. How simple is that?

athena

(4,187 posts)
44. Agreed.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:09 PM
Jun 2016

Republicans have a huge interest in ensuring that the Democratic nominee can't actually win the general election. I'm not sure why anyone would want to let them vote.

spooky3

(36,109 posts)
13. Yeah, let's make major changes to the process so
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:42 PM
Jun 2016

We can have a nominee like Dump (D. Trump) and be powerless to do anything about it.



I would like the Dems to eliminate undemocratic and unrepresentative caucuses, and to change the order of primaries (maybe rotate which states go first) so that tiny, disproportionately white states do not in essence consistently have a bigger say than do states like California. But it's up to the Dem power structure to decide this, not to the losing candidate.

teamster633

(2,032 posts)
29. They may drum me out of my state for saying it but...
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:27 PM
Jun 2016

...I fully agree that there is no way that NH should be the first primary on the Democratic side. Our population may be pretty representative of the modern rEpublican party, but it is a pale substitute for the diversity of our Party. The idea I like best (can't remember the source) is to divide the country into 5 sections, each of which takes turns as the first primary block of states.

spooky3

(36,109 posts)
34. That is interesting. I suppose the reason it hasn't yet
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

Been implemented is that the states would have to agree to cooperate.

teamster633

(2,032 posts)
37. And unfortunately, NH would fight like hell to prevent it.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016

There is a real sense of entitlement among many of our local polls. I think one year there was even talk of moving the primary to late December in order to preserve our first in the nation primary status.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
16. Nope. He's not going to.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:50 PM
Jun 2016

This isn't about making changes. This is about taking a torch on everything that kept him from winning.

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
21. He's chosen an issue that's un-winnable.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

Hope he's not looking for trouble at the DNC. I'm not all the way to trust with him yet.

jmowreader

(51,401 posts)
20. I'm a little surprised he didn't advocate open caucuses in all jurisdictions
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:06 PM
Jun 2016

If he would have faced 56 open caucuses, he would have won the nomination easily.

procon

(15,805 posts)
23. He lost. The press doesn't was to waste airtime on the runner up.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:41 PM
Jun 2016

His 15 minutes of fame are over. Hillary is going to be nice and give him an public attaboy and a yummy consolation prize, but damn, stick a fork in him please, he's done.

spooky3

(36,109 posts)
35. I didn't see any of this but wonder whether
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jun 2016

The TV people were hoping for some big announcement and were prepared to cut away and go back to their usual programming as soon as they determined it wasn't going to happen.

FloridaBlues

(4,363 posts)
24. Don't think he will convince the DNC for open primaries
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jun 2016

Most of that decision comes from the states. Did he say anything about caucus and removing them? Probably not .

SunSeeker

(53,587 posts)
25. No.Fucking.Way.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:47 PM
Jun 2016

Want to determine who DEMOCRATS chose to represent THEIR PARTY in the GE? BE A DEMOCRAT!!!!


OKNancy

(41,832 posts)
27. I don't want Republicans voting for my nominees - It's not just for President
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:21 PM
Jun 2016

In a red state like mine, many times a Republican is running unopposed, so I can see it now... the Republicans would vote in the Democratic primary and pick the weakest candidate for every office.

No... closed primaries, with generous time-lines to register... and no caucuses either!

TwilightZone

(28,833 posts)
32. That's a pretty silly hide.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:41 PM
Jun 2016

It pales in comparison to about half the posts in any Orlando thread involving ISIS and/or homophobia.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
33. lol! Perfect words, yours!
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jun 2016

Look at this AG twitter thread:


Never in his 25 years in Congress has Senator Sanders sought to reform the Democratic Party. But this is the ship he'll go down with.


https://twitter.com/AlGiordano/status/742806515677941760

"Will you give me these concessions, that make it look like I only lost because of these things, and not because less votes."

displacedtexan

(15,696 posts)
42. I thought you were way too nice in that post.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:04 PM
Jun 2016

I hope it won't be long now until the man who spent $200 million to bite the hand that feeds him goes away.

misterhighwasted

(9,148 posts)
40. He should have just hitched himself to the GOPTea Party. They have open primaries.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:24 PM
Jun 2016

Why is he in the Dem Party anyway. We have NOTHING he agrees with.

Stand and Fight

(7,487 posts)
41. No. I don't want non-Democrats choosing our nominee.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:02 PM
Jun 2016

Are people too fucking stupid to realize that it allows people to tilt elections toward the easier candidates to take down? I mean...

Gothmog

(154,120 posts)
45. We need to get rid of caucuses
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 08:10 PM
Jun 2016

Sanders is not discussing the most undemocratic feature of the Democratic primary process. I wonder why

It is hard to take anything that Sanders says seriously.

Freddie

(9,687 posts)
47. It's an open invitation to Operation Chaos
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 04:40 AM
Jun 2016

You want a say in our party, you join our party. Pennsylvania has always had closed primaries and it works as intended.

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