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ladym55

(2,577 posts)
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:42 PM Jun 2016

Having problems letting go ... and the double standard

I am getting frustrated with the nonstop drumbeat of "don't gloat! The Bernie supporters are hurting!"

Why am I frustrated? The Bernie supporters have been misled and misinformed for months now. Hillary had the nomination after New York. If the situation had been reversed, M$M would have begun screaming for her to bow out and recognize that the nomination had been won by another. But the winner was Hillary ... so instead we heard that Bernie's "path to the nomination was very narrow" or the "math was difficult." No, the math was impossible. Bernie needed to win every state after NY by such a large margin it just wasn't happening. But Bernie supporters were told otherwise.

Now I hear over and over "voter fraud," "rigged primaries," and other such craziness. We DO have to worry about disenfranchising voters and the Republican efforts to suppress the vote in November, but the mindset that every time YOUR candidate loses it's a fraud and every time he wins it's a victory just doesn't cut it in reality.

In 2008, I supported Obama. NO ONE told me to be kind to all the people who had worked so hard for Hillary. Neither she nor her supporters got time to regroup. I could celebrate until the cows came home without being chided.

I also read that Obama should not endorse Hillary yet--things aren't over. Say what?

If I were a Bernie supporter and all this nonsense was being poured into my head regularly, I'd have trouble grasping reality, too. BUT the reality is that Hillary is the nominee, and our job NOW is to get it together and get her elected and work on all the races down ticket. We can't afford the Donald in the White House, and we need to return Paul and Mitch to the back benches where they belong.

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Having problems letting go ... and the double standard (Original Post) ladym55 Jun 2016 OP
BS. Hillary stayed til June just like Bernie is yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #1
This is the middle of June WhiteTara Jun 2016 #7
DC votes Tuesday. yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #8
Oh, please. He was welcomed with open arms WhiteTara Jun 2016 #9
"Nobody has been treated more disrespectful then sanders in the history of primary elections." Cha Jun 2016 #16
This is the Hillary forum. athena Jun 2016 #11
I've been kicked out of sanders forum yeoman6987 Jun 2016 #12
Bottom line is .. no matter who you support you don't come into Hillary's Group and post Cha Jun 2016 #13
Oh, and, btw.. your sending me a PM saying "I just reported you!" means nothing. You can Cha Jun 2016 #21
Good Job!! asuhornets Jun 2016 #58
I was blocked, too PJMcK Jun 2016 #26
I was also banned from the Bernie forum. athena Jun 2016 #46
I was banned when I replied to a post that began with Arkansas Granny Jun 2016 #50
Sounds about right. Makes perfect sense. Mr Maru Jun 2016 #56
We're not here to please Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #34
Hi Aloha, athena.. I'm sorry for that poster being so rude to you.. he's gone now.. I don't Cha Jun 2016 #15
Thank you Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #35
Mahalo, Cha! athena Jun 2016 #45
That's interesting you lived on Oahu.. Cha Jun 2016 #52
Treated more disrespectfully? SaschaHM Jun 2016 #14
Thank you, Sascha! No one has been treated more Disrespectfully in a Dem Primary than Cha Jun 2016 #17
Not true Rincewind Jun 2016 #25
So have her supporters Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #36
Utter nonsense. Spare us the victimhood please. Bernie knew the rules... BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #28
He was the one who wanted Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #33
The concept of 'respect' does not require the winner to pretend that she has not indeed won... Princess Turandot Jun 2016 #44
This ... BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #48
Post removed Post removed Jun 2016 #55
It was totally different. They were really neck and neck in 2008, she was winning the popular vote. eastwestdem Jun 2016 #19
Clinton never once claimed her opponent cheated, the system was rigged, dissed "southern states", KittyWampus Jun 2016 #42
Yup, they have a coordinated attack going on right now itsrobert Jun 2016 #2
Just a few more days. leftofcool Jun 2016 #3
Can't come soon enough Gomez163 Jun 2016 #4
As much as I did not want Sarah Palin as VP and did not want Romney as president Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #5
It's almost visceral WhiteTara Jun 2016 #10
I recall the WWTSBQ Ellen Forradalom Jun 2016 #6
Bernie and his supporters have been coddled since the beginning of the race.... SaschaHM Jun 2016 #18
Excellent post, Sascha.. Mahalo! Cha Jun 2016 #22
Amen Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #37
^^^AMEN to this!^^^ Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #24
LOL and +1 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2016 #53
My wife pointed out pretty much the same thing. His rallies were attended by kids who Mr Maru Jun 2016 #57
I like to call it Celebrating and Rejoicing! And, you ladym make excellent points.. and bottom Cha Jun 2016 #20
SO. FED. UP...JUST. GO. AWAY...SULK. ELSEWHERE.!!!!! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #23
I think we can gloat in the HRC Group! Her Sister Jun 2016 #27
If yo want to Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #38
Actually I don't coddle them since I don't even go there! Her Sister Jun 2016 #39
We won. And we want those people to join us as Hilllary supporters. geek tragedy Jun 2016 #29
It's springtime now. GE mode. Not ideal weather for special snowflakes any more. nt BobbyDrake Jun 2016 #31
Those who are true Dems BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #49
sanders needs to address his supporters.. he says he can't tell them what to do.. but, Cha Jun 2016 #30
Yep, this a leader's test! Her Sister Jun 2016 #40
Right. Hillary had no problem because she's a leader and she's gotten a world of Cha Jun 2016 #41
I also keep reading Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #32
I'm sick of these spoiled brats demanding "respect" NastyRiffraff Jun 2016 #43
It is so bizarre. This is politics. But on your big boy pannts and get over it. Walk away Jun 2016 #47
we need to turn our focus to tRump MFM008 Jun 2016 #51
Hillary had the nomination March 1st. Everything that followed robbedvoter Jun 2016 #54
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
1. BS. Hillary stayed til June just like Bernie is
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:45 PM
Jun 2016

She was given the respect to leave when she wanted to in 2008. Bernie should get at least that respect.

WhiteTara

(30,150 posts)
7. This is the middle of June
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:07 PM
Jun 2016

Tuesday is D day. He either gets 300 delegates or he says, "Congratulations, Hillary. You won. Thanks for such a great campaign and now we can get to work and do the things we talked about." Then he'll have my respect.

If he goes to the convention and whines, I'll let his buddies whip up the crackers and cheese. Don't look for me join his little pity party. Don't like losing to a woman? Don't run against one.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
8. DC votes Tuesday.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jun 2016

I'd imagine he'll suspend Wednesday but the way he's been treated, I would not blame him for staying to the convention. Nobody has been treated more disrespectful then sanders in the history of primary elections.

WhiteTara

(30,150 posts)
9. Oh, please. He was welcomed with open arms
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:35 PM
Jun 2016

given the keys to the kingdom. Then he cheated by stealing data and had the gall to sue because they said, F you, why should we let you in? He got his way and got the keys back, but it has been strained every since.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
16. "Nobody has been treated more disrespectful then sanders in the history of primary elections."
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:02 AM
Jun 2016


Nobody has treated their primary opponent more Disrespectfully than BS has treated Hillary!

There.. I Fixed it for him.

WhiteTara

athena

(4,187 posts)
11. This is the Hillary forum.
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 11:40 PM
Jun 2016

If you want to defend Sanders, go to GDP or the Sanders forum.

By the way, if you think that Sanders is the one who has been treated with no respect, you have not really been watching.

 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
12. I've been kicked out of sanders forum
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:41 AM
Jun 2016

I am a Hillary supporter. I have serious doubts you are. Prove to me you voted for Hillary.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
13. Bottom line is .. no matter who you support you don't come into Hillary's Group and post
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:53 AM
Jun 2016

"BS".

Nor do you get to start fights and disrespect our members.

They are right.. BS is the one who grossly disrespects Hillary.. he is his own worst enemy.

".. the way he's been treated.. " Are you for real?! Give Me A Break!

You need a big shot of reality.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
21. Oh, and, btw.. your sending me a PM saying "I just reported you!" means nothing. You can
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:04 AM
Jun 2016

whine all you want about be Blocked but it isn't doing to change anything.

PJMcK

(22,850 posts)
26. I was blocked, too
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:05 AM
Jun 2016

I read postings from the Latest Threads page so I don't pay attention to the Group a posting is from. Recently, a poster referred to the president as "Barack" and I wrote, "that's President Obama to you." The Bernie Sanders Group Host blocked me for "attacking" a member in a "safe haven." My emails to the Host were polite and explanatory but she'd have none of it and instead projected some incorrect and angry attitude onto me. Ah, well.

I've been a member of DU since 2006, donated money when I could and a lifelong Democrat. My post count is low because I like to read and when I see the angry arguments, I move on because they're mostly pointless and without resolution. When raising my son I learned an important lesson: it takes two to argue.

Anyway, I now feel like I have a battle scar from the internal DU wars! The new rules will end some of these internecine fights.

Meanwhile, I'll vote a straight Democratic ticket in November.

athena

(4,187 posts)
46. I was also banned from the Bernie forum.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

I followed a link to a post, without realizing the post was in the Bernie forum. It was a really offensive post -- so sexist that other Bernie supporters eventually convinced the poster to delete it. But I was blocked for criticizing it.

Things are already getting better. Many of the Hillary supporters who have been quiet have been coming out, or perhaps even coming back after staying away for a long time, so that the place feels much less hostile to Hillary supporters than it was previously.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
15. Hi Aloha, athena.. I'm sorry for that poster being so rude to you.. he's gone now.. I don't
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:59 AM
Jun 2016

care who he supports.. he's not coming into our group and being rude to our membera and saying ".. the way BS has been treated.. " after all the demonizing BS has done on Hillary.. all the hate he's whipped up against her Jeeze!

Somebody needs a big dose of REALITY!

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
35. Thank you
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:19 AM
Jun 2016

I get so tired of seeing posters like that. They pretend to be supporters of Hillary clinton but advocate for Bernie.

athena

(4,187 posts)
45. Mahalo, Cha!
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:32 AM
Jun 2016

I'm sorry he was rude to you as well. You were just doing your job (and doing it well!).



P.S. I lived on Oahu for nine years and would move back there in a heartbeat if I could.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
52. That's interesting you lived on Oahu..
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jun 2016

Mahalo to you, Athena!



Wish you could go back too.. I lived on Kauai in the '90s and left for 12 years and came back in 2010.. I miss my friends and family in New York but am really glad to be here.. especially in the winter!

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
14. Treated more disrespectfully?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 12:58 AM
Jun 2016

Just because Sanders isn't allowed to break the rules, change the rules, harass state party chairs, steal voter data, fake endorsements, appropriate the Civil Rights movement, etc... doesn't mean he has been treated disrespectfully. Hell, he has been handled with kid gloves throughout the entire process, especially for someone who has decided to run a dangerously negative campaign 2 months after it became mathematically improbable for him to win.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
17. Thank you, Sascha! No one has been treated more Disrespectfully in a Dem Primary than
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:05 AM
Jun 2016

BS has treated Hillary and those are the facts.

But yeah .. poor burnie

 

BobbyDrake

(2,542 posts)
28. Utter nonsense. Spare us the victimhood please. Bernie knew the rules...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:29 AM
Jun 2016

...and expecting them to be changed just for him was his mistake.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
33. He was the one who wanted
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:17 AM
Jun 2016

to run on our party. He was the one who decided to go negative. He was the one who did not reach out to minority groups. THIS IS THE HILLARY CLINTON group. Take your negativity to general discussion

Princess Turandot

(4,823 posts)
44. The concept of 'respect' does not require the winner to pretend that she has not indeed won...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:16 AM
Jun 2016

to spare the loser's tender ego.

She's won. By every possible measure.
He lost. By every possible measure.

It's really that simple.

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
48. This ...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jun 2016

Nobody has been treated more disrespectful then sanders in the history of primary elections.


I'll resist going full-blown grammar police on that statement.

But I can't resist doing this.

Bernie is always the victim. And this is the HRC Group.

Response to yeoman6987 (Reply #8)

 

eastwestdem

(1,220 posts)
19. It was totally different. They were really neck and neck in 2008, she was winning the popular vote.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:10 AM
Jun 2016

This year is just blind delusion, as the writing has been on the wall since March.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
42. Clinton never once claimed her opponent cheated, the system was rigged, dissed "southern states",
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:17 AM
Jun 2016

whined about caucus/polls, called into question whether she'd support the nominee if it wasn't her.

Clinton was and is a Democratic Party member. A team players.

None of that can be said about Sanders.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
2. Yup, they have a coordinated attack going on right now
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:47 PM
Jun 2016

Each posting one old conspiracy theory or old anti-Hillary hit piece one after the other. Even dredging out Mark Penn.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
5. As much as I did not want Sarah Palin as VP and did not want Romney as president
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:54 PM
Jun 2016

The GE is much different this year, the thought of Trump becoming president will be worse than George W. It is about uniting to defeat Trump, even republicans are having a difficult time.

WhiteTara

(30,150 posts)
10. It's almost visceral
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 10:37 PM
Jun 2016

and the thought of Trump touching and defiling all the things in our capital, makes me physically ill.

Ellen Forradalom

(16,178 posts)
6. I recall the WWTSBQ
Sat Jun 11, 2016, 09:55 PM
Jun 2016

from 2008. That's an acronym, ,'Why Won't That Stupid B**** Quit?', that was used at blog Corrente to label any post about someone stamping their feet demanding Hillary quit the race. So yeah, it's nothing new.

SaschaHM

(2,897 posts)
18. Bernie and his supporters have been coddled since the beginning of the race....
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:10 AM
Jun 2016

They expect to be coddled to the end of it as well.

The fact that they even think that this is a close race is a sign of the coddling that they've needed. His entire campaign has been a certificate of participation. He lost by 6+ million votes and over 350+ delegates. That's a good old fashion landslide and the fact that he feels entitled to argue for concessions is disturbing.

I'm going to celebrate that Hillary won and Bernie lost and I'm not going to sugarcoat my glee or coddle anyone else's children because they just learned the rules of the game and realized that they lost 2 months ago.

Not after the attacks on John Lewis and Dolores Huerta. Not after the drudging up of various right wing hit pieces. Not after having to watch and listen to Nina Turner, Susan Sarandon, Shailene Woodley, and Ben Jealous argue with a straight face that because Bernie gets more white college kids then the votes of African American democrats like myself should be ignored because of some polls 6 months out. Not after the legitimization of Cornell West after his disparaging remarks against Barack Obama. Not after the absolute mess that was NVDem's convention. And especially not after, a process that has empowered people of color and women all over the country and resulted in the first female major party nominee has been accused of being rigged because Bernie didn't win certain states.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
22. Excellent post, Sascha.. Mahalo!
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:14 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:45 AM - Edit history (1)

"They expect to be coddled to the end of it as well." Yes, and that's not going to happen..from my end anyway.

The fact that they even think that this is a close race is a sign of the coddling that they've needed. His entire campaign has been a certificate of participation. He lost by 6+ million votes and over 350+ delegates. That's a good old fashion landslide and the fact that he feels entitled to argue for concessions is disturbing.

I'm going to celebrate that Hillary won and Bernie lost and I'm not going to sugarcoat my glee or coddle anyone else's children because they just learned the rules of the game and realized that they lost 2 months ago.

Not after the attacks on John Lewis and Dolores Huerta. Not after the drudging up of various right wing hit pieces. Not after having to watch and listen to Nina Turner, Susan Sarandon, Shailene Woodley, and Ben Jealous argue with a straight face that because Bernie gets more white college kids then the votes of African American democrats like myself should be ignored because of some polls 6 months out. Not after the legitimization of Cornell West after his disparaging remarks against Barack Obama. Not after the absolute mess that was NVDem's convention. And especially not after, a process that has empowered people of color and women all over the country and resulted in the first female major party nominee has been accused of being rigged because Bernie didn't win certain states.

Hell No!

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
37. Amen
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:22 AM
Jun 2016

I'm not kissing their behinds either. I already told several of them off on facebook and if they didn't like my response, I blocked them.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
24. ^^^AMEN to this!^^^
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:24 AM
Jun 2016
I'm not going to sugarcoat my glee or coddle anyone else's children because they just learned the rules of the game...
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
53. LOL and +1 ...
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:59 PM
Jun 2016
His entire campaign has been a certificate of participation.


This primary has been a sociological study's treasure trove. I wonder if some sociologist will write a piece on this primary vis a vis "certificates of participation"?

Not to be ageist or anything; but, what generation grew up with "certificates of participation" and what generation is Bernie all in?

As I have written before, I came of age in an era where every spring, we had to try out for little league baseball. If, at the end of try outs, we got "drafted", we made the team ... if not, we spent the summer working on our game, so that next year, we'd get "drafted".

And, even if we made the team, if we were good enough, we would get to play in the games ... if not, we spent the summer working on our game (on the team), so that next year, we'd get to play.

And, at the end of the season, there were 4 trophies awarded, a Championship trophy (for everyone on the Championship team), a MVP trophy (one for each non-championship team), a Most improved Player trophy (one for each non-championship team), and a Sportsmanship trophy (one for each non-championship team). There were no Participation trophies ... and, to be honest, NO ONE wanted to get the Most Improved or Sportsmanship trophies, because that meant you weren't a champion.

There was no whining ... just hard work over the summer for next year ... or not!

Mr Maru

(216 posts)
57. My wife pointed out pretty much the same thing. His rallies were attended by kids who
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:47 PM
Jun 2016

could probably fill a trunk with all the trophies, awards, medals and ribbons they got just for showing up. Everybody gets to be on the team and everybody gets a "winners" trophy.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
20. I like to call it Celebrating and Rejoicing! And, you ladym make excellent points.. and bottom
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 01:21 AM
Jun 2016

line.. I owe them nothing.

Not the way they've treated Hilary supporters on this board.

I'll Celebrate and Rejoice Hillary's WIN anyway I damn please!

Whoop!



Mahalo~

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
27. I think we can gloat in the HRC Group!
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:13 AM
Jun 2016

and coddle them everywhere else! Because that's what they require and demand.
Actually, I don't go to GDP! I even stopped my Release the Taxes Agenda. I find that very gracious of myself!!!

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
38. If yo want to
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:24 AM
Jun 2016

coddle them go ahead. I'm not. After the way I have been treated by Bernie supporters they are getting NOTHING from me

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
39. Actually I don't coddle them since I don't even go there!
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:29 AM
Jun 2016

Like it here!!! Where we're happy and going forward!!

 

geek tragedy

(68,868 posts)
29. We won. And we want those people to join us as Hilllary supporters.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:32 AM
Jun 2016

What's the smart play? Seems pretty obvious.

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
49. Those who are true Dems
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:45 PM
Jun 2016

are already with us. Those who are true progressives will unite with us against Trump.

Those who aren't ... well - some of us have had enough of being pissed on!

Cha

(305,137 posts)
30. sanders needs to address his supporters.. he says he can't tell them what to do.. but,
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:41 AM
Jun 2016

if he were any kind of leader @ all.. and cared about his country he would try to undo months of HIllary hate that he instilled in them.

Cha

(305,137 posts)
41. Right. Hillary had no problem because she's a leader and she's gotten a world of
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:46 AM
Jun 2016

experience since them.

That's why President Obama is #WithHer and Ready for Hillary.. even if the Tuners and Gabbards aren't.

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
32. I also keep reading
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:14 AM
Jun 2016

that its us who are the ones who start stuff online and I'm like where are they getting this mess from? They alert stalk the dickens out of us too. I can't wait for the day when Skinner pulls the new rules on it then I will be free to hopefully speak my mind and such

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
43. I'm sick of these spoiled brats demanding "respect"
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:52 AM
Jun 2016

Respect for what? The constant harrassment, alert stalking, crapping all over any positive post about Hillary, threatening violence, disrespecting liberal icons such as John Lewis, Delores Huerta, President Obama, etc. The latest is Elizabeth Warren. And whining about "voter fraud" when they couldn't be bothered to research election rules for their states. Their threats to "stay home" or vote Green Party, or even vote for Trump(!) tells me all I need to know about them.

Respect my ass. Damn right, I'll celebrate our victory. If they don't like it they can go to that jackass site.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
47. It is so bizarre. This is politics. But on your big boy pannts and get over it.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:47 AM
Jun 2016

I have had to do it many times. I have not always liked our candidate, and I have said so, but I have never been so delicate or deluded that I couldn't stand to hear the truth.

We did them no favor letting them think they were winning. I get why Hillary was so easy on Bernie even while he was pushing GOP talking points and tin foil hat crap, but it seems to have resulted in a small but hardcore group of overly sensitive..............well, you fill in the blank.

I don't think that the campaign needs them but this site seems to.

MFM008

(19,993 posts)
51. we need to turn our focus to tRump
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:47 PM
Jun 2016

Listen to him, if he hasn't made you angry enough yet, don't worry he will get there.
Hes the worst person in the world.
We must had him a defeat of unprecedented proportions.
So that him, his party and his supporters get a message.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
54. Hillary had the nomination March 1st. Everything that followed
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:51 PM
Jun 2016

was appeasement. "let the old man do his schtick so his followers don't feel cheated". They did anyway.

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