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obamanut2012

(27,755 posts)
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:36 AM Jun 2016

"We didn’t know where Hillary’s votes were coming from bc they didn’t feel it was safe"

Joanne Castle Miller had a great tweet about HRC voters not feeling safe in publicly supporting Hillary because of being harassed by haters (I urge everyone to read it):

https://twitter.com/jocastlemiller/status/740575041750867968

But, this Reddit thread by HRC supporters discussing that piece is a fantastic -- and sometimes sad -- read:

https://www.reddit.com/r/hillaryclinton/comments/4n6ciw/we_didnt_know_where_hillarys_votes_were_coming/

One comment that I loved:

We are so proud of California. Wow. I am reading all sorts of posts about "what? Barbara Lee's district went for Clinton? BERKELEY went for Clinton? what?" Well, this thread explains it, doesn't it?

I'm beginning to think that, instead of being worried about having to hide being a Clintonista, I could enjoy it by imagining myself as a subversive, slinking around looking innocent while awaiting the opportunity to cast a dastardly vote again!

Masquerading as a middle-class, middle-aged woman is the best cover, isn't it? because I have become invisible.
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"We didn’t know where Hillary’s votes were coming from bc they didn’t feel it was safe" (Original Post) obamanut2012 Jun 2016 OP
Even I was surprised by Berkeley. Starry Messenger Jun 2016 #1
It was all the librarians at Cal! obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #18
Some people bully, intimidate, and threaten. Other people peacefully and quietly vote. Koinos Jun 2016 #2
+1000! This described how I felt, as well, although I'm an unabashed Hillary supporter and am not BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #17
Hillary supporters may not be loud but we are true, we vote. Thinkingabout Jun 2016 #3
I think, with anything, it's not always the squeakiest wheel obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #19
I feel like one of them lots of times. Lots of times. riversedge Jun 2016 #4
Interesting read ... Thanks! NurseJackie Jun 2016 #5
I'll tell you... Raissa Jun 2016 #6
Yes this letter says what happened to all of us! Trying to shush women and POC Her Sister Jun 2016 #7
Such a great read... sarae Jun 2016 #10
There has been severe bullying of Hillary supporters. yardwork Jun 2016 #24
Me too, in the middle of a meeting by a superior obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #33
Glad to hear it! yardwork Jun 2016 #35
He said, and I quote obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #40
Well, I hope that works out for him. Bless his heart. yardwork Jun 2016 #41
GMTA, obamanut.. I was going to do this Tweet.. so I'll post mine here.. I love this.. Cha Jun 2016 #8
So true: sarae Jun 2016 #11
I was just going to say when I was re-reading that, sarae.. that we owe those Cha Jun 2016 #15
Yes! sarae Jun 2016 #21
The biggest mistake I feel like I made Coolest Ranger Jun 2016 #9
Awful! Freaking awful! Her Sister Jun 2016 #12
I'm sorry that happened to you. sarae Jun 2016 #13
This ... BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #29
How annoying (and hypocritical!) would it be sarae Jun 2016 #32
I really cannot BlueMTexpat Jun 2016 #37
Denis O'Hare, the actor, said the same thing was true in Hollywood. LexVegas Jun 2016 #14
Interesting obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #20
Because my social group are adults, Bernie Bros aren't a huge part of real life for me. Walk away Jun 2016 #16
I have some diehard Bernie supporters Ellen Forradalom Jun 2016 #22
Nice! obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #34
K&R nt ProudProgressiveNow Jun 2016 #23
K&R! DemonGoddess Jun 2016 #25
Between the Trump violence and the Berner bullying liberal N proud Jun 2016 #26
This has been my experience as well Haveadream Jun 2016 #27
I'm *still* afraid to admit I voted for Hillary on Facebook forjusticethunders Jun 2016 #28
Ayep! JSup Jun 2016 #39
They are now so pissed that in a week they will no longer get to dominate this board. upaloopa Jun 2016 #30
It is more than palatable obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #36
Reading those comments is a revelation. I felt like I was the only one making this conscious choice Hekate Jun 2016 #31
As a general rule, Jamaal510 Jun 2016 #38
Agreed obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #44
Do you think this also explains, somewhat, the caucus... LAS14 Jun 2016 #42
Anecdotal evidence would suggest that, yes. yardwork Jun 2016 #43

Starry Messenger

(32,375 posts)
1. Even I was surprised by Berkeley.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:47 AM
Jun 2016

We really are a subversive group. 13% margin. It's like we all collectively decided to go large even without all knowing each other.

Koinos

(2,798 posts)
2. Some people bully, intimidate, and threaten. Other people peacefully and quietly vote.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:50 AM
Jun 2016

Those who bully are enemies of democracy. Those who peacefully vote are friends of democracy. It is all very simple, really.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
17. +1000! This described how I felt, as well, although I'm an unabashed Hillary supporter and am not
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:01 AM
Jun 2016

quiet about it in public.

I knew California would go for Hillary; that she'd win this State and the majority of delegates. I didn't think it was going to be 13%, though. I was thinking more along the lines between 7-10%, which, considering that NPPs could vote in the Democratic Party primary, was pretty generous! lol

I'm sorry to hear and read how Hillary supporters were driven to be quiet, but a true civilized and democratic society doesn't stage loud and violent protests. We exercise our passion through the ballot box (or mail), through phone-banking, through talking with our groups, through correcting the record where we could while withstanding the unjust angry. But we did it!

obamanut2012

(27,755 posts)
19. I think, with anything, it's not always the squeakiest wheel
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 08:25 AM
Jun 2016

Some people are quieter about their politics, religion, whatever.

Raissa

(217 posts)
6. I'll tell you...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:53 AM
Jun 2016

I have many friends online who supported Bernie. Whenever any of them made a post about not knowing anyone who supported Hillary I would politely speak up.

Inevitably many would follow, liking my post or voicing their own support. When one person steps out it makes everyone more comfortable speaking out.

Best of all, today many of those same people were hashtagging never trump and I'm with her.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
7. Yes this letter says what happened to all of us! Trying to shush women and POC
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 06:56 AM
Jun 2016

Not listening to our voices, and moving quickly and relentlessly to squash what we thought and had to say! We had to go underground and then we surprised everyone because we existed even though had to be quiet and silent about it!

sarae

(3,284 posts)
10. Such a great read...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:16 AM
Jun 2016

It explains so much of what's been going on, and mirrors how society treats women in general, especially older women. The only difference now is that we do have one ultimate way of being counted - through our votes.

It makes me sad (and angry) to consider that before we had the right to vote, we were effectively completely invisible and uncounted.

yardwork

(64,073 posts)
24. There has been severe bullying of Hillary supporters.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:14 AM
Jun 2016

Last edited Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:43 PM - Edit history (1)

I experienced it in real life from somebody who supports Bernie.

Some people need to do some soul searching.

obamanut2012

(27,755 posts)
33. Me too, in the middle of a meeting by a superior
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:41 PM
Jun 2016

Who had no business even mentioning anything about politics. He got reported by several people -- not me -- and "apologized" to everyone via email.

obamanut2012

(27,755 posts)
40. He said, and I quote
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:07 PM
Jun 2016

"I'm Bernie all the way (note: this was AFTER our primary, where HRC won in a landslide). No way I'm voting for either a woman who I can't trust or Trump."

Cha

(305,136 posts)
8. GMTA, obamanut.. I was going to do this Tweet.. so I'll post mine here.. I love this..
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:04 AM
Jun 2016
We didn’t know where Hillary’s votes were coming from bc they didn’t feel it was safe to tell us in the first place.

I just enlarged this so I could actually read it.. interesting to me. I was not expecting 13%!


Joanna Castle Miller ‎@jocastlemiller
We didn’t know where Hillary’s votes were coming from bc they didn’t feel it was safe to tell us in the first place.
6:03 AM - 8 Jun 2016
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Linda
June 8, 2016 at 3:58 pm

I am not at all surprised by this. The media (NBC/MSNBC) tried to push the meme that the CA primary was neck and neck referring to their polling. But that same polling showed that Hillary was ahead 58-41 in early voting.

oops….they never mentioned that .!

jackiegrumbacher
June 8, 2016 at 4:41 pm

This is very important information, MS. The intimidation and the threats kept women out of the public eye, but it did not keep them from doing an outstanding job of voter outreach and GOTV. They worked under the radar without the theatrics and they WON, big. Seems emblematic of the way that women often go about doing the hard work of getting a job done–quietly, efficiently, effectively–while the men do the bragging. Now that HRC is the nominee more men will join the campaign because they want to be part of a success story.

https://theobamadiary.com/2016/06/08/its-go-time/



ProudProgressiveNow~

sarae

(3,284 posts)
11. So true:
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:23 AM
Jun 2016
Seems emblematic of the way that women often go about doing the hard work of getting a job done–quietly, efficiently, effectively


I'm so grateful for every woman and man who held fast to their views despite the constant negativity, verbal abuse and intimidation. It's so encouraging to know that our numbers are greater than we were led to believe.

Cha

(305,136 posts)
15. I was just going to say when I was re-reading that, sarae.. that we owe those
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:48 AM
Jun 2016

Women in California so much.. the ones behind the scenes quietly GOTV and Voter Outreach..

Everyone who voted for Hillary across the nation.. her largest voting block is actually African American Women.. and now Latinos in California!

She won Arizona, Nevada, New Mexico, & California... see a pattern here?

So encouraging!

Coolest Ranger

(2,034 posts)
9. The biggest mistake I feel like I made
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:09 AM
Jun 2016

was when I let my friends know that I was switching from Bernie to Hillary and right away that's when all the personal attacks against me on Facebook started happening. That's when people started telling me to "do my research." that I had no right to disrespect Bernie like that. That I was wrong for putting my support behind Hillary. its hard not to take this stuff personally.

But the biggest shock was when a Bernie supporter on facebook threatened me with physical violence. They threatened to shoot out my right eye thus blinding me completely. Hell that scared the crap out of me guys. The next election cycle when we go through this again hopefully in 2024 I plan to keep my mouth shut about who I will be supporting.

 

Her Sister

(6,444 posts)
12. Awful! Freaking awful!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:23 AM
Jun 2016

Yet we persevered! So proud of all of us!

Am sad to hear what you went through! Know that many were with you!!

sarae

(3,284 posts)
13. I'm sorry that happened to you.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:30 AM
Jun 2016

That's infuriating. It's also puzzling to me that someone would think that physical threats are an effective way of getting someone to change their views - it may publicly silence someone, but it won't change their mind when they cast a vote anonymously.

Incidentally, I think that's why they need to stop doing caucuses - there's nothing democratic about being bullied into voting for someone.

BlueMTexpat

(15,493 posts)
29. This ...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 11:20 AM
Jun 2016
... there's nothing democratic about being bullied into voting for someone.


Bullying is NOT a progressive quality. Anyone who does bully or threaten another is NOT a progressive, no matter how much they may argue otherwise.

sarae

(3,284 posts)
32. How annoying (and hypocritical!) would it be
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:50 PM
Jun 2016

if they end up making primaries open to everyone but then they keep the caucuses? I really, really hope that's not on the agenda.

LexVegas

(6,549 posts)
14. Denis O'Hare, the actor, said the same thing was true in Hollywood.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:33 AM
Jun 2016

He said he has had to come out 3x. As a gay man, an atheist, and a Hillary Clinton supporter. Said he was attacked all 3x.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
16. Because my social group are adults, Bernie Bros aren't a huge part of real life for me.
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 07:57 AM
Jun 2016

It would be a lot different if I were still living in Hoboken or Brooklyn. I doubt if I would feel comfortable discussing Hillary in public. I really don't need to be attacked. I actually feel safe around Trump supporters. They seem much confrontational and angry.

Ellen Forradalom

(16,178 posts)
22. I have some diehard Bernie supporters
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 09:33 AM
Jun 2016

in my social group. These are longtime friends who shocked me with phrases like 'that woman' or 'Cheney in a skirt' to refer to Clinton. This, amongst many other things, was a red flag to keep away from Sanders.

Because speaking on the Internet while female is a crime, I decided to keep quiet about supporting Hillary until after primaries, and let my vote do the talking. Apparently on Tuesday, it did!

DemonGoddess

(5,108 posts)
25. K&R!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:24 AM
Jun 2016

this comment from the reddit by JGRN1507

And yet we are. I'm in a conservative state and while it's perfectly acceptable to support Bernie, people lose their fucking minds of they see a HRC bumper sticker or make loud gagging noises if they see her on TV.


This commenter lives in the same state as I do. So yes, I've also had to be quietly supportive instead of loudly, like I normally would be.

liberal N proud

(60,936 posts)
26. Between the Trump violence and the Berner bullying
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:29 AM
Jun 2016

It's not just California

I didn't put a Hillary sticker on my car.
I did put out a sign about 3 days before the Primary (Ohio)
I don't think I will put a sticker on my car for the general either. The Trump supporters are just too deranged.

Haveadream

(1,630 posts)
27. This has been my experience as well
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 10:54 AM
Jun 2016

People feel entitled to trespass women's boundaries and Hillary's so any supporter of her, male or female, is subjected to that abuse by extension. Even in a state which is voting for Hillary, most here do not advertise it for fear of vandalism by the Trump and Sander's supporters. That is the reason there are so few signs and bumper stickers, etc.

I was at a non political meeting where everyone attending happened to be a Democrat. The Primary came up and one person, with fist raised boldly shouted, "Go Bernie! Never Hillary!" and was met with polite silence, shuffling papers and averted eyes. There were some smiles but the response spoke volumes: everyone in the room was for Hillary but they were not going get into it with an overbearing supporter who assumed everyone hates Hillary and that it was ok to do so. The support for Hillary is very deep and very wide just as the election results are showing. Women and minorities have to protect their voting franchise. There is power in the vote!

JSup

(740 posts)
39. Ayep!
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:59 PM
Jun 2016

Women get called stupid and men who agree with them are 'traitors to their gender' or something; not 'real men'.

lolpeerpressurevoting

Hekate

(94,488 posts)
31. Reading those comments is a revelation. I felt like I was the only one making this conscious choice
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jun 2016

...to hide out. This is totally sad.

We are winning -- but the Sanders Cult has taken a lot of the joy out of it. And they're proud of it.

Fortunately, Sanders himself is a long-time politician who is right now dickering with other politicians over what he can get on behalf of the movement he started. If his more fevered followers can grow up a bit and see this as reality and not a betrayal (I swear some of them think he should "bern" himself on the Capitol steps shouting "Nevah surrendah!&quot we might be able to make some progress -- even Progressive progress.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
38. As a general rule,
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 02:56 PM
Jun 2016

I never let any strangers know my politics unless they ask. Even in a state like CA that has many Clinton and Obama fans, there are also plenty of haters, and you never know who is a hater. I'm not going to risk getting harassed by some nut at school or on the street because of a shirt or bumper sticker.

LAS14

(14,620 posts)
42. Do you think this also explains, somewhat, the caucus...
Thu Jun 9, 2016, 03:18 PM
Jun 2016

... phenomenon, of often going for Bernie? It can be a very confrontational environment. Maybe Hillary supporters just didn't want to get involved in that?

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